Does any of you have any experience with practicing magick while being Christian? Is it even possible in your opinion?
I’m new to practicing. I grew up Christian and even though I’m not really religious, as in I don’t follow the Church, I follow the teachings of the great master Jesus. Not Yahweh, though.
I want to work with deities/entities at some point. Is it possible for me to ask archangels and angels for help only, or even talk to Jesus himself? I don’t want to reach out to demons and/or spirits. I don’t feel good even thinking of that - it makes me feel weak, weird and tired.
I would say prayer IS magick and Christians do magick ALL the time. They just don’t call it that.
What’s the difference between petitioning a Goetic entity and doing the same thing if the the entity in question is “god”… There isn’t one.
“God give me strength” is seen in old Norse prayers, you can see the exact phrasing in preserved prayers to Freyia with the same wording, (gef mir megin means give me strength) and it was adopted by the invaders. Most of Christianity is not original, it’s an evangelic, conquering religion, and it absorbed lots of stuff from older pagan religions as part of getting those conquered people’s to accept Christianity. Including magick, which slowly later was discourage or outlawed by various sects.
Also don’t forget Christianity is not a monolith. some sects do observe overtly magickal rituals and consider it still Christian. E.g. Appalachain Pow Pow magick.
Yes, i have done protection and house exorcism with Christian rituals and incantations. Most of it is prayer and esoteric god names from the Catholic tradition. Also abundance magick/prayers as well. I’ve protected against wirches using the processes of certain Catholic magick exorcism books.
I think you’d be interested in an author I’ve known. Augustino Taumaturgo. His book “The big book of Exorcisms” describes rituals to protect, banish, consecrate ritual items, and provides many Latin/English prayers.
What I think is crazy is how concerned some Christians are about doing magick when so much magick is Christian in nature. Like everywhere I look in magick I find christian influence, which is the reason I usually stick to darker magick.
When I left the church (years before I started practicing) I got myself a tarot deck, just to see this horrible satanic thing that I learned to fear my whole life. I was greatly disappointed when I studied it a bit and discovered it was instructions on how to get closer to God.
If you look for Christian magick you will be spoiled for choice. Even something like the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram, which has become a part of many practices, uses the Lord’s prayer. Anyway, I think the Arbatel of magick is pretty cool and recommend it to any Christians reading this.
I don’t think Christians have a problem with magick, just certain denominations. Of course every Christian thinks their denomination is the the true Christianity and thus think the issue is with the entire religion.
Magick is the manipulation of reality through intent. Not at all dissimilar from the ways in which we act normally in the world.
Christianity has a long history with Magick. There are entire practices created by the Christians of old.
What most people think of is the line concerning “thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” which is poorly translated, as is most of the bible. It reads better as “thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live” which is still missing a large amount of context. Point being this, if you truly wish to be Christian there is only 1 unforgivable sin, to deny god completely.
Magick isn’t in the 10 commandments and it’s not part of the unforgivable sin.
If you want to be Christian and do Magick, by all means go ahead! There is plenty of material for you to work with. I hope that helps!
The jews themselves have an EXTENSIVE magickal and mystical tradition and history. The Jews were not against magickal practices BUT they were against the “unclean” practices of those around them. The reason for this is because many of the divinatory and magickal practices around israel at that time involved touching bones of the dead and praying/invoking to other gods that YHWH didnt want them to pray to or invoke or even commune with. This is why the Deuteronomy 18:9-12 exists. it was to forbid the Jews from practicing the magickal traditions of those surrounding them, not to forbid magick entirely.
There is a story that takes place in one of the Jewish celebrations in which they get so drunk they cant tell what is physical and what isnt. Now, i may of forgotten some of it so dont quote me but this is the gyst: There were 2 rabbis who celebrated this celebration and got into a heated argument which resulted in one rabbi slitting the other rabbis throat in a drunken anger, the rabbi wakes up the next morning and finds the other rabbi dead. Realizing what he did he basically rose him from the dead through a miracle. Miracles are nothing more than magick, although one characteristic of miracles is that normally they are an instantaneous pushing aside of physics which the ability to do is granted to (or developed by) very disciplined monks who have basically dedicated their life to prayer and study (Hindu’s call the ability to do these siddhi’s and one who has mastered them a siddha).
What im trying to get at here is that Jewish people have had a magickal and mystical practice about as old as the hills, and Christianity involves the same God so just take what other christians say with a pinch of salt. None of them really should be listened to about legitimate magickal practice as half of them dont even read their bible let alone research into their own books deeper aspects or even deeper topics like esotericism. Hell i dont think most of them are even capable of undertaking an half hours prayer time.
I happened to notice it before it was removed, and if @Kristian doesn’t mind I’ll respond.
Basically he made the point that my comment …
i would say prayer IS magic and christians do magic ALL the time . they just don’t call it that
… is not the whole story. Prayer can also be used for just communication without intending to work changes on the world.
I have to think about it, as to an extent, there is purpose in communication, even if you’re doing “magick” only on yourself to attract or generate the energies of comfort or courage, say, which is very benign. You could say “magick” isn’t a good categorization of that, as that’s also moving into psychology and self help that’s generally seen as it’s own thing. I kind of see everything as flows of energy and hence magick, but it’s useful to have better distinctions at the granular levels of being.
TL;DR I agree with his point. (Need more coffee: I don’t feel that was the most articulate response ever)
I deleted the comment because I feel it’s a sensitive subject for people… Magick to me is a power to release and manipulate energy to create change of a situation or event that cannot be done by normal accepted method.
