Can There Be Guarantees In Magick-For-Hire?

E.A. is worth is his salt.

I’ve never experienced another magician that could drag me into their world just by watching a podcast of them seeing their black door…which took me to other places.
And I haven’t even shared those experiences for the most part yet . I can’t image what powerful influence it would have on me if I actually went face to face with it and touched it with my fingers.

I think he does great work. And I would buy his work if I needed it. And I would recommend it.

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If he is as knowing and powerful as he claims, he will know if results took shape and form and would be correct to demand payment or issue a reversal or an undoing of the work, and possibly more as penalty for non-payment.
On the other hand, if his client had a way to prove they did not get results, as in showing they were still in the same position as before, and possibly providing documentation to attest to that…they could make a case for requesting a refund.

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Which he actually encourages.
He want’s people to be pro-active and take magickal action themselves,
he does a whole lot to teach people in a way they can act by themselves.

Of course, there is things where he just shines.

One example would be empowering you into a direction you’re wanting to move towards, but feel fully blocked away from without outside intervention.

In terms of pricing, it haves to be acknowledged that it takes a lot of resources and energy to do what he does when working completely on the behalf of someone else, (the client hiring him).

Also, and i find this funny every time again:
When he works hired for a client, he’s actually alturistic in a huge way, while he keeps focusing his statements on selfishness. :stuck_out_tongue:

^^

Sincerely,

¥’Berion

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Nope it isn’t.

But if you feel like he wouldn’t be capable of furfilling the task you have on mind, consider who you feel would fit the request better.
There’s way more magicians then just E.A.
As well as several Systems to derive from. :wink:

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And again you are looking for some kind of guarantee you are never gonna find in this line of work. If you did find it i would actually be more worried about not getting results.

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Meanwhile I’m going to do my own work using the COPIOUS free material BALG put out as well as my own studies and work, to keep advancing in magick.

My life has changed for the better through use of E.A.'s material, not to mention the more indefinable stuff like spirits contacting me through his videos, and I was no beginner to start with, in fact I was already very good at a wide range of things, even before I found this site. :man_shrugging:

And, I don’t work for him, not on any payrolls, not hoping to be (I have my own things that I do) so I have no reason to state this and warmly commend his work, and recommend it to people.

You should really only be “warning” & “advising” people if you actually booked him and got burned, which isn’t what has happened. $1000 isn’t, in fact, a lot of money (outside areas where the exchange rate fucks you up, at least).

And in the 4+ years I’ve been on this forum, I hear a lot of things and people come to me with various concerns, but I have never in that time has a single person complain they felt they didn’t get what they paid for from E.A. when hiring him, in fact I’ve been told he goes the extra mile on consultations, and many people book him again at a later date for both… repeat customers are the gold standard for reliability IMO.

Whatever, I’m not white-knighting him, just trying to stop some consensus/perception building up here that people need to be warned in some way, when you never booked him and plainly don’t intend to. It’s like me giving reviews of some cruise I never took, in countries with climates I probably don’t even like.

And as I said, there are NO practicing magicians out there that fit your requirement, of extreme wealth, land ownership, and who are hireable and give 100% solid guarantees of results or money back. You might as well warn people not to buy a Porsche, that they’re shit cars and you wanr people gravely, because they don’t come with a “this car can never crash or get a ticket” assurance.

Nothing exists that would attain the levels you have set, and are then scorning them (E.A. and Porsche) for, and it would be totally unrealistic to expect those things.

Same.

That would be weird magickal thuggery of the type some ATR soecialists go for, and their victims then run screaming to another ATR with slightly less of a bullying mindset to liberate them.

Magick offered for a set price and no involvement afterwards with the magician is surely saner and more civilised? Can;t believe this even needs saying!

if you pay and that’s it, done, you own the work - if the gates are left open you become at the behest of that person, which is fucked up.

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It’s not at all like going to a contractor for a remodeling job as the result IS the remodeling. Also, a legally binding contract precedes the work and enables either party to settle disputes before a judge or arbiter. You can’t use a real world scenario as a comparison for E.A.'s transactions. That’s the safety of why magickal practitioners operate as they do with or without guarantees. They’re services are not enforceable.

“Good luck finding anyone who would take the work.” It’s not necessary to say something you don’t really mean since you know there aren’t any in this field. The “pay after you see results” operators are charlatans, too.
I’ve looked and can’t find where all the success stories are of using E.A.'s service, Ritual for Hire.

I don’t hire magicians, never did, that’s how I am… I always believed that the stronger magic is your magic. But If I ever decided to go that way, then be sure I’d pick E.A. hands down.

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For everyone who says there are no magickal guarantees, this should not be a sales pitch, then:

“Ritual For Hire | E.A. Koetting
Let E.A. Koetting perform real magick for you, SO YOU GET REAL RESULTS…” (Capitalized by me.)

Despite my objections to the way he phrases his 100% Guarantee to TRY to get results, I sill like his philosophies and approach to dark work.

Update: And I don’t have the impression E.A. Koetting is a con, either. I feel he truly believes in what he’s doing. I just wish I could find many instances reported of where his Ritual for Hire work was successful for his clients.

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As you may have noticed, i encouraged you to look for more options, and make an actual decission where to go to.
I woun’t link Golden Dawn or Rosecruitian sites however, as first of all that would violate the terms of the forum as well as it being unneccessary since you’ll come accross those anyways when looking for a different take on…

  • well ya, what exactly is it even that you seek?

:wink:

Sin,

¥’B

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That’s a fair point, I’m certainly not a unbiased voice here.
I suppose I tend to compare the results spirits help us attain and the cost of working with them, and then compare them to the ritual services he provides. I can see how that isn’t really fair, but it’s just how I think.
Some of his other stuff is very good; his evocation course is an excellent resource and I think is consultation prices are very good. You try and get a similar consultation in my field and it would cost considerably more, so I can’t argue there.

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I’m sure they are all great magicians. I think i’d love to one day see just how powerful the spells for hire are, to inspire myself to become better. I’m waiting for some ritual supplies before I dive into my first course though. My friend suggested it’s not having enough faith in myself to hire someone but honestly I just think it’s really fascinating and interesting and I know there’s definitely something powerful to BALG.
I hope to explore many sorts of magickal systems in my life, and really see what they are all about so I can find my place in this world

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Am I the only one who booked him and some other from the BALG?
It was much, much more then I could expect. But, please, don’t ask me to talk about it.
Thanks.

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Go to a white-light healer and ask her (it will usually be a her) to get your ex back.

They’ll start bullshitting you about how desire is the fruit of attachment and the source of all pain, that all things are as they should be, and that if it’s meant to be, the wise loving universe will ensure your ex gets back with you and stops making you suffer, but actually, you are really wrong to try and compel another’s free will, and that the white-lighter will certainly not assist you.

But for a modest fee (or maybe a “donation,” so you’re left wrangling with your own conscience, in advance of any work being done, how much it would be righteous to humbly donate to this fount of wisdom) that they will assist you in healing your past insecurities and traumas (which were really just your own past life karma, giving you what you truly deserved) so that you can move beyond attachment to such petty things as happiness, good sex, companionship, and having the parent of your children come back into their lives.

Then they will do some vague thing seated firmly in their own belief that nothing, really, needs to be done, or can be done, so you will be more or less guaranteed to only receive advice about more detachment, more focus on your own flaws, and the standard platitudes of the mystic, the person who fundamentally despises embodiment and wishes to infect you with their mind-virus as well.

Go to E.A.?

He’s going to do what he can to get your ex back.

That’s what this means - aiming for the real result, not the bullshit high-sounding justifications of why you can’t have it that comprise the bulk of white-light, spiritual healing, and similar forms of anti-life mystical nonsense.

Magick is about results; mysticism is about coming up with plausible un-falsifiable reasons you can’t have the result and probably shouldn’t want it anyway.

And most people in the marketplace these days are mystics, no matter what they claim, so choose accordingly.

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I’m watching his soul travel course. So far so good imo

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Been there. Your description is spot on. I’ve been through many paths of magick for two decades now. Had fantastic results initially, especially with Palo and Santeria. But I realized my results from influencing magick only came when I was in regular contact with the subject and they were aware I was working on them. They saw things which entered their subconscious in a way to manifest the results I wanted.

My influencing magick has never come to fruition on anyone with whom I don’t have regular contact or isn’t close already. It’s another obstacle which makes my investments of time, money, and worst of all, false hope, hard to swallow. Thus, looking for a practitioner with fresh eyes, sound mind, capable, and results-driven.

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Can you at least talk about why you won’t talk about it? Or at least say if you got exactly what you wanted?

I’ve had a dream just after that I should keep it just for myself. Don’t know why, but the message was strong.

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If it is a working in progress it is because discussing ongoing workings can get other peoples energies in your working and distort or kill the results manifestion

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