Ok, so first I need to ask something: how bad my target should be so a demon would help me? My friend said demons probably wouldn’t be inclined to help me, cause even tho my target did me some shit, he wasn’t the average abuser people mention when they ask for help with revenge. He lied to me a lot and left me when he knew I was in the middle of a battle involving my mental health (I had just tried to off myself). So does my target need to be a batshit insane abuser to ask for help if I wanna get revenge? We were together for years, and he didn’t even hesitate to completely remove me from his life and move on as if nothing had happened.
So, my idea was to ask Raum for help to completely destroy his social life, his love life and family life. After that, I planned on going after another areas of his life, as such his mental health. So can I ask him to make my target be loathed by all his friends, romantic interests, all people close to him, colleagues and even strangers, and eventually he left by them? Can I even set a deadline? I wanted to see him miserable by his birthday, cause he did the same to me on mine, so can I set up a deadline of like 2 months? I can’t find much info on Raum, so would he be suited for that matter? My first option was Glasya, to cause loneliness, but people said he’s too dangerous and usually backfire a lot.
I’m asking for help here because most of you guys are LHP just like me, while in most communities, like reddit, people don’t like this kind of speech and tend to either ignore you, moralize or just simply be rude
t doesn’t work like this, your will and your own sense of self worth is what’s important. Part of why they are called “demons” by the religious is because they do not moralize, where angelics are assumed to include a bit of moralizing in their work.
“Justice” might want a reciprocal and proportional result, but vengeance does not. You are entitled to the first, the second you can demand because you have the free will to do so.
E.A. explains it better than I do (video saved from his old youtube):
I have not seen Glasya backfiring - Andras does and comes with a warning label
Any baneful work can backfire (also called baclash) as Like Attracts Like, and energy can bounce off protections back to you. You’re angry and baneful so you attract more of that to you naturally. But after this working is done, all of that feeling should be exhausted into the target.
So you avoid this by setting up protections around you and your house, loved ones and pets first. A divination is advisable to check for protections. A working to remove protections and a binding to prevent them working against you also help.
Your target doesn’t need to be bad, demons and a lot of beings in general don’t really care about human issues or concepts of good and bad, that’s all on us to decide.
Some demons I’ve used with good experiences in curses have been:
Naberius to destroy a target’s reputation and social life, make them come off as a creep and make them hated by others
Haures to cause a target to suffer from grief and dread, cause them to become an extremely unlucky and unfortunate person, and to make any of their financial endeavours fail
Vine has been said to “Destroy walls”. I personally interpret this as being able to destroy the personas people play and therefore ruining them socially, as well as destroying the lies they tell themselves and others and revealing the truth. He’s also said to be able to make a former lover fall in love with you again as a form of punishment if you want to go that route.
Amduscias to destroy someone’s motivation and willpower, essentially turning them into a pushover and weak person.
I’ve also personally had very good experiences with Andras and he’s always come through for me but his energy can be dangerous to deal with so I wouldn’t immediately go for him unless you’re confident and know what you’re doing. I’ve noticed accidents can happen if you’re not careful when calling him and don’t clear your space properly after.
Any being who can help with one thing can usually help with the exact opposite too, so if you have a good working relationship with any demons already, it’s worth trying to apply that perspective and seeing if you can use their powers to cause the damage you want.
I didn’t know about this. I was even feeling too ashamed to ask for help because I learned, from previous experiences, that folks don’t really like baneful people like me. But I think it depends on the community you’re asking to.
I can send you the link if you want, that guy said GL has too much energy and usually backfires a lot, that Gusion wouldn’t help em separate his friends because he’s too friendly, and something about Gaap that I really didn’t quite understand.
So I should reinforce my protections first? I was already abou to ask divination, but what questions should I ask prior the evocation? The outcome (for me and then for my target) if I asked for his help, if he’s willing to help, stuff like this? And I’m not really worried about him being protected and cursing me, he’s an atheist who came from a really non religious family, so I wouldn’t mind. Thanks for you help
I thought of using Amduscias some days ago to break his will so he wouldn’t fight my spells, but maybe I could use this just to make him weak in general, you’re right. The thing you said about Vine being able to make a former lover fall in love as a form of punishment sounded SO GOOD, exactly what I wanted. I will never forgive him, never, but it’d be nice to cause the same pain he caused for me. But let me ask you, what’s the difference of asking Vine to help with that matter vs asking any other love demon?
About the part of destroying his social life (is the love and family life included?) you think I should ask Naberius, Raum or Glasya? I feel like Raum can be more versatile, but maybe you’d suggest another one?
So, what do you think of first asking Raum to destroy his social, love and family life completely. Then asking Glasya to make him completely alone and be shunned by friends, colleagues and strangers. Next asking Amduscias to break his will. Followed by asking Raum (again) to destroy his professional and academic life (like failing college). Boris to make him ugly (I’ve seen he can do that, but do you know if we can ask him to cause the target some specific issues, like acne, hair loss and weight gain?) And in the end asking Vine to make him completely in love and desperate for me?
What do you think? Is this order good or should I try a different one? And finally, I’m sorry for this big ass answer, but do you know of there’s a demon who can make him stop with some treatments? He takes some meds to improve a physical aspect of his body that makes he feel ugly, is there a demon that could help me make him stop with that? Maybe Paimon to bind him from it?
Probably Marbas. He gets called for healing but he’s a demon of sickness, and an entity that can do one thing, can usually do the opposite.
Other entities of illness and pestilence are also good, like Nergal, Glasya Labolas etc.
I recommend also just getting hold of a grimoire - like the Ars Goetia but there are others, the Book of Azazel, and Kingdoms of Flame, the Angels of Wrath, a demonic Encyclopedia and tons more that either focus on baneful magick or include entities that are baneful - and then leafing through it just to read the descriptions, as this can bring a lot of ideas and even bibliomancy to answer the question “what’s a good way to do this?”.
No, it’s not a health focused treatment, it’s for aesthetics. He’s insecure about something specific on his body, so he takes these meds to look better
I’ve already read the ars goetia, AoW and the demonic encyclopedia. I’ve been studying demonolatry for a few months, but I’ve only evoked one demon regularly. Got some nice results from him tho, but nothing too drastic cause I didn’t ask for external stuff
I admit my issues is trying to bring their expertises into the real work. For example, Raum, apparently “destroy dignities” means destroying any specific area of a person’s life, for what I’ve understood. And Amduscias “bending trees” is read as bending a person’s will. I don’t follow the DoM method or approach, but I like their summary of the demons areas of expertises since is more “mundane like”
Also, do you think the order of evocations I set up is good, or should I just change it somehow?
The order doesn’t matter. These workings already started the minute you decided you were going to do them, and then you were always going to do them. Time and space get wobbly where magick is concerned.
So I can space the evocations however I please? And follow any order I want? Can I use divination prior the evocation to know what would the outcomes be?
