Book Club/Discussion [“Modern Magick” + “Kabbalah, Magick and the Great Work of Self-Transformation”]

Hi,

I’m currently working through “Modern Magick” by Kraig. I am also working through “Kabbalah, Magick and the Great Work of Self-Transformation” by Christopher (which has as a primary text “The Golden Dawn” by Regardie (or Greer). Modern Magick is the book I am giving more of my time to.

I am currently starting the Air Grade in both books. If anyone else wants to join the quest of working to Portal grade, feel free to work with each other.

I will then start working through Koettings Works of Darkness, Kingdom of Flames, Questing after Visions (and others) after OAA Flame Discourses with the goal of completing every book.

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For those wondering, are we talking about these books here?

Modern Magick: Eleven Lessons in the High Magickal Arts by Donald Michael Kraig

and

Kabbalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation: A Complete Course by Lyam Thomas Christopher

I added the book titles into the topic title because people tend not to click into topics with vague titles, and it helps them apprear higher in the search. I added some tags as well. :+1:

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Thank you @Mulberry :slight_smile:

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I am working through self initiation into the golden dawn. I am at the start, on the pre neophyte initiation - Thmê meditations which they have the reader do.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Self-Initiation-Into-Golden-Dawn-Tradition/dp/1567181368

What are the differences between SI and the Kraig and Christophers books? If you know.

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I used the SI not k in the past. If I had been as determined and disciplined as I am now, and attended the invited initiation in Toronto (missed it twice due to an accident and getting lost in Canada), it would have been even better.

If you can get into the Thme Meditations and do the early psychic training per the index, you will find it a wealth of information.

I like Modern Magick due to the undetermined time to complete the grade, and the questions are answered it to as good as the SI book. KMatGWoST is strictly timed and does not quiz you.

Both of the books I’m working through are heavy on Enochian use, and the latter is also heavy on thelema rituals.

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I have been working most off of Christopher’s book, although my progression has been kind of slow and I’m still just a Neophyte, while breaking his important warning: whatever you do, don’t go outside of the prescribed curriculum. But I would be happy to give some updates here as I progress further. I might also look into Kraig, if these work together well for you.

On the sidenote: Christopher has a yt channel with some lectures that could be nice supplementary material, defnitely worth checking out.

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Yeah, Christopher’s Book is terrific. Unfortunately, his side reading leaves me out in the cold. I do like the Body in the Assiah, and the other three worlds. And his required writing exercises.
Fortunately, Modern Magick requires its own work, but is comprehensive for any experience.

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Hi,

That’s excellent, Neophyte is actually a longer time to complete, due to his requirements, the “rearrangement” of your natal chart houses to test your probationary station, and to push you forward once mastery of the Qabalistic Cross Ritual, LBRP, and Middle Pillar Ritual, Body Awareness, and Breathwork mastery.

I don’t mind conversing within his framework, I am still drawing aspects of his curriculum into my learning path.

I found how to test mastery of the elements, which can be found in the exercises for the elements from Earth (chapter four), up to Fire (chapter seven). If each one can be done before Air grade, it can he stated that you’ve mastered the grade of Earth.

Hi,

Neophyte is an excellent grade as I replied to @Confirm_Advise … Soak up as much practice and work as you can, starting with the psychic exercises in the introduction by the Cicero’s.
Make the wand of Double Power. Make the Pentacle. Make the Geomancy Kit. Make the talismans. I know I’m veering into Earth grade territory, bit do the work to the best of your time and ability.
Their book has a lot more practical information you won’t find in the other books, but the other books are complicated and informative as well.

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Thank you @Mulberry … Those are indeed the books being discussed. A third brought up is “Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn Tradition” by the Cicero’s.

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Kraigs Modern Magick book on chapter four has Air element exercises. He has an obsession with each element to practically and symbolically be nude for an exercise.

Elemental pore breathing is difficult to take seriously - as it’s unlikely everybody has a place to be nude or get out into a forest.

So, as each exercise is done for a week, I will just do my best on shorts and a tshirt and be outside to try it.

Christopher’s book Kabbalah, Magick and the Great Work of Self-Transformation has exercises to do as well.

@Greenstonearch
@Confirm_Advise
@Mulberry

What from your readings have you listed qualities of the element grade you’re in, and have you gained mastery of the element?
In Kraigs book you have to get to the end of the fire element, where you’ve by then mastered each of the four elements.
Not including Spirit, that is the Portal grade.

What sort of energy work do you work with, probationers/neophytes usually start with each of the five senses, then start with psi balls for each element.

For me, the LRP and the Middle Pillar Ritual are my energy work.

What do you like or dislike about the book you’re working with?

For me, I wish the Qabbalistic Cross Ritual, the LRP, and the Middle Pillar Ritual and the IOB Ritual were all taught in the Neophyte grade.

Thank you for your responses and advice in both posts.

Yes I have to get on to doing this. I only restarted doing the coloured balls recently and I have not done the observation walks in a long time though and should get back on doing them.

This sounds very interesting and I will have to look into it more.

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As per Kabbalh Magic from Christopher, Middle Pillar is recommended as part of daily practice in the Neophyte grade. O must admit that after a solid couple of months doing it fairly conistently evert day, now I havem’t done it in a couple of weeks, but I have been “idly” circulating energy in a similiar way as outlined in the ritual (albeit alternating with different directions - you have seen what I have written in a post in another thread, that imitates to a degree the upward energy pushinh in Middle Pillar, I also do the clockwise circiulation woth left side sending up, right side sending back down, not really doing the back up and front down). I also try to practice receiving and giving out energy every day, receiving either by focusing on a Tarot card, a certain Sephiroth, or during grounding or being in nature. Giving when attempting divination and when circulating Earth energy during grounding, during Resch (the Four Adorations) when I’m in the right mindspace.

I’m still in Neophyte, so not attempting the elemental grades yet. Mostly held up by one of the silence excersises, compilation of pantheon and outline of Neophyte Initiation Ritual. I would also have to become consistent with my daily practice again.

I sort of rely on Tarot and the characterisation of Elemental Worlds for my understanding of the Elements, not really commited to paper, but in short:

Earth is of structure, consistency, discipline, Action, outer strength. The slowest of elements.

Air is of intellect, connection with people and world, imagination, understanding, transformation, inner strength.

Water is of intuition, wisdom, emotion, adaptation, tenderness, outer will.

Fire is of determination, manifestation, will, hidden immanence, transformation, dissolution, inner will (or higher will).

Both Earth and Air are of persistence and both Water and Fire are of creation and destruction.

If I got something wrong or something needs elaboration, feel free to let me know. Owing to my rather low grade I don’t claim to have much authority here.

I must say that as of now I’m uttey failing fulfilling prerequisites of mastering either Neophyte or the Earth grade.

I like the clarity and elqouence of Christopher, and I’m somewhat ambivalent about his strictness - I recognise that discipline and consistency are important here and I recognise how I need to master theae things, but at once feel like it constricted me to a point where I fwlt overwhelmed at least a few times. But well, this might be much more a matter of me and my troubles than the book itself.

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I’m sorry I don’t study kabbalah, much less the Golden Dawn’s version of it. I gather Kraig’s book is meant as a self study guide outside a formal lodge and teaches the same ideas.

I don’t really use the concept of the Sephiroth/Qlipphoth or the 4 western elements in my work, or correlating those to the sephira, as I follow a more Taoist approach in my worldview (which has 5 elements, Water, Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal), and would use the I Ching not the Sephiroth, though the concepts have broad parallels.

I would tag @DarkestKnight as he has talked about the pore breathing you mentioned (not from Kraig but I think other authors as it’s not unique to Kraig), and knows more about this current than I.

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@Mulberry … One more question, what can happen if a person is overly zealous in use of Qi Gong? Before I got paralyzed, I was doing yoga stretching and Alexander technique exercises, and eight meridians qi gong exercises. I recall trying to gather the qi on my center after smiling at each organ.
What could occur if a person advances too fast with qi gong?
(Yoga and Alexander Technique are listed in Christopher’s book as required grade exercises).

You always want to be gentle and never force the qi to flow where it’s not ready, because it’ll burn you. You patiently clear blocks and build the meridians to handle greater flows over time.

I often use the gym analogy - you’ll get injured if you push too hard too fast, but do it daily and “grease the groove” and you get strong quickly.

It can cause you damage to you qi body, and set you back in your development. The qi body damage can also have knock on effects and damage the other bodies - mental, emotional and physical. Similar to kundalini raising gone wrong.

If you have illness, or any issues during practice, it’s a good idea to stop and return to a foundational practice called Guarding the Center - simply bring your mind back to lower dan tian, and in life, dial back the incoming bad energy in your environment and what comes into you via your 5 senses. Then you can rebalance your qi and it will not cause damage.

As E.A. Koetting says: “protect your energy”. This includes not allowing disturbing ideas and visions that do not server you into your heart and mind. It’s part of having “good spiritual hygiene” and not attracting parasites too.

If you continue to raise qi wile it’s imbalanced, probably by driving too much impure yang qi up the Du meridian (up your back), it can cause these issues. You want water and fire (the lesser forms of yin and yang) to be balanced in equal amounts so they blend well to build your qi body… this is paralleled in Kabbalah and Hermeticism (alchemy) as the marriage of opposites.

Symptoms of this imbalanced qi happen on a scale, staring with emotional disregulation,

Benebell Wen who teaches Taoist practice translates from the I Ching - The Book of Changes - (I have her course and there’s a lot free on her website and youtube), like so:

“For those with weaker constitutions or dull endowments, start with the preliminary method
of “Guarding the Center.” It is used to warm the inner states and is the most basic of practices
for even the layperson and the inexperienced.”
…
“The Guarding the Center meditation is a method for concentrating the purity of Shen [spirit] in the Qi cavity [lower dan tian], to ground and center that Qi, so that the Three Treasures* are in harmony in each of their respective realms, and to converge the Wu Xing (five elemental changes) into its primordial singularity.Balancing of the five physical senses and five innate spirits, exhibited through balanced temperance and moderation of one’s desires, within the lower dantian (“Ancestral Aperture”) is an essential prerequisite, so that purified Yang can rise naturally during the Lesser Mandala of Heaven practice”
…
“Do not hastily set the River Chariot (Lesser Mandala of Heaven) [microcosmic orbit] into motion, because if you attempt to circulate the River Chariot when the Jing essence of the blood, bones, joints, and marrow are not yet refined, and you force the driving of the River Chariot, you will scorch and deplete the body’s Jing essence, and this harm to the physical body is of no small matter.Thus, calm the center and such stagnation may be avoided.”

*The 3 treasures are Jing (physical robust health), Qi, and Shen (spirit). If your health is great you don’t need to do this practice.

So you get a vicious circle - desires, delusions, and fantasies create unstable, unrefined, impure Yang Qi, which can make you want to get forceful with the qi practices, and then driving the impure yang causes more delusions, which get harder and harder to control, and more and more problems, up to insanity, physical illness, and so my teachers told me - even death by heart attack or stroke.

“Side effects of forcing unrefined Yang up the Du meridian include hindered sight, distracting ringing in the ears, agitation of the heart, and tumultuous intentions.”

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I see. Much of what you replied with I believe contributed to my current health effects. I think this is why western practices and Eastern practices should not mix, I believe this is the reason for Qabalah being the “yoga of the West” as Dion Fortune states in The Mystical Qabalah. And this is on topic as the Christopher book has it as required reading yet Qi Gong or similar practice is attributed to Philosophus or the fire grade.
In 2001 I started to read aloud and not knowing what I was doing, my friends Qi Gong book led to tinnitus in my ears, and finally settled in my left ear.
This is why I am not proactively working with yoga or kindalini, as I believe my mental problems stemmed from conflicts between religion and esoteric practices.

I have progressed to the Air grade (Lesson Four in MM, Chapter Five in KMatGWoST), and am currently using the Theoricus Formula rituals from KMatGWoST, as well as those rituals in Modern Magick in previous and current Lessons. The LBRH is a ritual I’m trying to learn, more complicated than using a GRH drawing and vibrating associated with the planet being invoked or banished. Astral Projection is a question on my mind, if it is a safe thing to engage in, or if it is a potential snare. Only the books will tell I suppose.

Earth was fairly difficult for me, and I’m dangerously assuming I have mastered the Earth element. I have three plants in my eleventh house of Virgo (Venus, Mercury and Pluto), and Saturn in my seventh house of Taurus. I assume that despite relationship issues, going to therapy helped, and before onset of a very nasty disorder that nearly left me paralyzed or killed me, that perhaps Pluto in a house of service may have been a factor, or Uranus in my twelfth of Libra. I guess it’s high time I learn astrology better than my use of geomancy.

Sorry for potentially irrelevant details or TMI. If I can be of help, let me know.

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@Mulberry … Thank you for the reply, sorry for my smug of sorts reply. The Guarding the Center is one aspect I failed to read from The Eight Meridians by MacRitchie.

I want to say Qi Gong is responsible for my irresponsible use of attempting Qi Gong work, not fully reading through before practice. However, the flu vaccine and my genetics are more likely the cause of my GBS.

Qi Gong is something I will have to take up when I conclude MM and go through KMatGWoST. I believe the fire grade uses Qi Gong for energy work.

Again, thank you for your reply.

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