I find myself answering a lot of the same questions about spirits or sigils or summoning etc etc…
I also notice that the search bar on the forum can be kind of confusing at times when you’re trying to find something very specific.
I’d like to make this thread so that I can answer any question regarding Goëtia spirits, sigil making, or ritual steps
Please be mature and don’t demand that I do things for you. Everyone has the right to learn.
So with that said, Ask me anything and I will answer honestly and as best as I can
When I do offerings, I usually choose blood on a sigil after I form a strong connection and place my demands with a spirit.
I’ve since begun waiting until the demand is seen through by the spirit after stumbling across an older post here on the forum.
If you offer food or drink, I’ve read that it’s best to leave them in a place for a couple of days and then you dispose of it like you would anything else. Certain spirits will also possess household pets and consume whatever your offering was. There a post about someone’s cat getting into a pie they had made after offering it to Bael
There was a major indecisive discussion years ago, with some saying that a sigil of a demon MUST be burned to release energy, and a new sigil made for the next operation. Others said it’s disrespectful to burn a sigil. No longer a topic?
I follow no one else’s teachings lest it be reasonable and honest advice.
Universally it is accepted that you can either safekeep the sigil or burn it to release the energy.
If I may offer a reply, it wholly depends on the magical system one is working within. For example, with EA Koetting’s seal/sigil magick technique, the seal is burned to close it once the result comes in so that the energies don’t contimue flowing into your life undirected. In S. Connolly’s system of demonolatry, on the other hand, the seal is burned as a way to send your intention to the demon.
I think as DK said, it depends on the system you work with and I’d also add: what intention you have when burning the sigil.
I don’t think either is wrong.
In the end everyone forms their own magick, rituals, practices to whatever works best for them.
It’ll come down to finding your own way to work with magick and or entities,spirits.
Go crazy, lol.
Or just strictly follow a system.
It’s really individual
What matters is your intention. You as an individual decides what what means to you.
If you think burning a sigil shows disrespect to the spirit in question, then the gesture will be seen as disrespect because that is the intention you have behind it.
If you think burning a sigil releases the energy appropriately, then what you do will not work until you burn the sigil because that is your intention.
Forgive me if my questions are silly
Do you follow the days attributes when you summon a demon to do something ? For instance Friday for love ?
Do you place a timeframe? For instance I want xyz to happen by then ?
Do you write down your petitions of you say them Verbally ?
Do you follow any planetary hours while drawing the sigil or summoning the demon ?
No because I believe that if I only work specific magick on the days that it’s attributed to, then I’m losing my ability to work in the mundane and every day life.
If I’m going to be a skilled magician, then I should be able to work any effect on every day if that makes sense.
I don’t place timeframes because I feel that I’m forcing the spirit to work which in turn will hurt the results.
I strongly believe in the left hand principle of spirits being my companions, so like for any companion human or spirit, I like to let them develop things naturally. If you have faith and intent, then no time frame should need to be placed.
Of course I have a mental idea of how long I should wait or expect results, but again, I’m not going to force a spirit to be done by a certain day.
I speak verbally without practice. In Platonism it states that ideas are the most perfect form of anything inferior (physical/earthly) so I believe that speaking in the moment, I can channel a more perfect idea and fuel the intention into my work.
If I’m going to work, I usually have to do it later at night because I live in a Christian household. Once more, I work on my own time planetary or spirit because that’s how you achieve power in the mundane.
Thank you so much for your answers ! I believe I have a lot to learn from you!
Do you do channeling sessions with Demons ?
Can you please share the ritual to perform a pact ?
Do you use a specific colour of marker to do the sigils ? If yes what ? Do you have a marker only for sigils ?
By channeling sessions I assume you mean what I call familiarization which is where I meditate with a spirit I’ve never worked with before I start working with them.
I used to but since I opened up my free rituals thread, I stopped because of how many requests I got for spirits I’ve never worked with until then.
So yes and no.
Pact making can be done by either invocation or evocation, what matters is what you’re saying after you get a confirmation sign from the spirit.
You could write down your request for example including your obligations, but I’ve never worked that way.
I usually pencil draw my sigils but if I’m going to use anything else, it’d be specifically a black pen.
Ceremonial magicians and demonolators often disagree about evocation. The ceremonial magician insists on commanding the demon when summoning it, while the demonolator says that this is offensive to them and that, as a rule, you must be submissive when working with a demon.There are double standards here now.I even found somewhere that evocation is not the summoning of a demon into space, but that there is only invocation, where only energies manifest in you and you are not possessed by a demon, as some claim.I personally think that the demonolators have it more correct.
Ceremonial this context we’re discussing Christian Salomonic ceromonial Magick from Goëtia which teaches forcing the demons to submit.
Demonlatory practice is demonic worship which is naturally submissive to the demon.
Not the same things in the slightest because it’s 2 differing belief systems.
Invocation (inside-vocalization) is calling upon the spirit by energy but not by a physical form.
Evocation (outside-vocalization) is calling the spirit to a visualized or physical form.
I envision spirits as if they were massive balls of energy that can manifest themselves as physical forms and invoke different feelings and emotions. Herodiana and Lilith could be from the same ball but are different personalities if that makes sense.
People have interacted with these energies, and named them.
A lot of the names we have for these spirits can trace back before the names we know them by now.
Beelzebub was originally a Philistinian God named ”Baal Zebul” but the Jewish inherited the name and twisted it in attempt to mock him. Baal Zebul means Lord of all things that Fly. Beelzebub means Lord of Flies.
If you look at Beelzebub though and what he stands for, the attempt at insult really only feeds him more energy and now we have Beelzebub instead of Baal Zebul.
The Lilith we know may have gone by different names in the past but was mistranslated or twisted in some way.
I think the best way to try and tell is cross translate the names and see if they’re similar or have a multitude of similarities.
