Anybody received any powers yet?

Forgive my shity typing bro.I’m trying to write quick and sometimes i can’t express exactly what i want to say.I cut it straight to the bone and then i’m realizing that my post has an ‘‘atitude’’ of somekind…

Just to make things clear

There’s nothing wrong to have an attitude about something and I’m not offended at all. Not the slightest. :slight_smile:

We all have different opinions, different experiences and different interpretations to it. Sometimes we can relate, sometimes not. That’s why I think it’s important to make statements based on those criterias.

It’s all clear. No hard feelings. :slight_smile:

[quote=“succupedia, post:18, topic:5059”]Isn’t the ability to interact (see, hear, feel, taste and smell) with spirits and entities, a “power” in itself, since there is a small fraction of us that can do just that? Or since some of us have adjusted to that particular ability, we don’t see that as something “special” or “extraordinary” anymore?

… After a certain amount of time, we adjust and get comfortable by the presence of spirits and entities.[/quote]

YES! I see what you’re saying and yes, I take it for granted all the time, “Check in with spirits” goes in my diary along with “Pick up some coffee and wash roasting pan” which is, on the one hand, how my life is, but on the other hand I guess I do forget sometimes what an amazing gift this is - even though all people have it, many people seem to have serious blocks they’re struggling to overcome, and the majority of people don’t even bother trying to find those skills, let alone develop them.

I think the escalation of use and the desire to develop them more comes from seeing results - that time a spirit warns you about something and as a result you successfully avoid a problem (or ignore it and pay the price) etc.

Control over one’s life is certainly as addictive as anything else, and you do develop higher tolerances for it - I was quite absolutely gobsmacked when I broke an important gift my partner gave me and there hadn’t been any warnings, and I actually did a Tarot reading to discover why it happened - this is probably not a normal reaction to a broken ornament! >_<

But it made sense to me because everything is sacred, everything is symbolic, etc. Sorry to ramble but a big hell yes to all that stuff, anyway. :slight_smile:

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Your roasting pan is the culprit, it was cursed due to its Mayan origins. So do what a sensible and responsible magician ought to do and sell it on amazon.com! :smiley:

But in all seriousness I know that feeling. I recently found a penny, and when I was feeding my dogs, a piece of chicken meat I picked up was particularly round and flat.

I immediately thought it has to be somehow related! Thankfully I restrained myself from consulting the Tarot due to my dirty hands, full of chicken grease lol.

[quote=“Sultitan_Itan, post:14, topic:5059”]If you work with the OLD hierarchy, like in the Grimorium Verum, 3rd Book of Solomon, Grand Grimoire, Book of Oberon, etc…

THOSE spirits start unlocking all kinds of abilities the moment you come into contact with them. I will always discover the next day all sorts of little things that I couldn’t do before… Sometimes odd, mundane little things, other times “spiritual” abilities. I have NOT had that effect from more modern hierarchies like the Lemegeton, stuff from the 1700’s on.

I believe that the OLD system was meant to be a fast-track to skills that would take decades to develop through conventional, intention/meditation-driven methods. Many of the spirits in the GV seem to specialize in direct modification of the energy body, and some of them even use terms like “direct installation,” like they’re adding lines of code to a program.

And it is really fun and fascinating to just… find yourself absent-mindedly doing things you never could do before as though you’d always been able to do them.[/quote]

When you worked with these grimoires, did you use E.A.'s methods? Or did you stick closer to the traditional ritual style?

In the case of the GV, I contacted Sustugriel and he’s helped me hammer out my own way of doing it that plays to my own strengths, but draws heavily on the logic underlying the rituals in the book. There IS a fundamental technology beneath the rituals of any system, and seeing and using that logic is way more important than superstitiously following the instructions to the letter. Any religious components (“The circle is there to protect you.” - HA!!) is almost ALWAYS there to conceal the technology and knowledge informing the inclusion of that component.

Most grimoires will have one or more advisor spirits that will help you learn and work the system, which is why the books themselves tend to feel a little messy.

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I can levitate in my dreams, if I dream {I had like one dream in several months}. It’s like a normal human function. It seems so real when I do it. Seems to be a defense mechanism too {like when something startles me, I jump up and stay there}. The main way I do it is, by swelling or pulling my chest in/up. Sorta like deep breath or like when a cartoon gets angry {???}. The power & control seems to come from my diaphragm. I can fly in my dreams to, but only when something is chasing me. And in my dreams whenever I am fleeting {from whatever}, I literally have to stop, standstill, and close my eyes, so I can wake up in the real world. To end the chase & save myself from whatever is chasing me. Yeah but this is all in a dream. Maybe someone can put the technique to use though.

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Most of these powers the OP speaks of can be achieved in dreams and astral travel but not the real world (unless you’re trippin on LSD), because our bodies are not designed to do those things here and you can say you’re a living god and are capable of anything blah blah, but when is the last or first time any of us have ever seen anyone flying around main street like superman or levitating like Criss Angel but without support cables they had to photoshop out of the picture, walking thru walls and so on in public right in front of everyone in a way where no one could be skeptical or think it was rigged? Probably never.

You may think you have seen it all but there is usually some sort of smoke and mirrors crap invovled. And invisibility does not mean the person vanishes right before your eyes like Harry Potter with his cloak and can walk into the girl’s shower room and jack off without them even knowing they’re there, it means people simply pay less attention to you and ignore you to the point that you can get some privacy and walk around without every person you see noticing you, talking to you, asking you for stuff and so on.

What you are speaking of is super hero comic book Sci-Fi movie stuff which is simply not possible because the human body was not designed to do these things for defense purposes or survival so if there is a way to do these things then the majority have not figured out what they need to do to their mind and body to make it a reality and I imagine anyone who really has these types of abilities woukd be keeping it a big secret or intentionally making it look faked so as not to get noticed by the government who would most likely lock them up in a prison cell as a national threat and study them to see what makes them tick.

Also, because they figure the average citizen would not believe them even if they saw it in person they would think it was a mind trick because Criss Angel and David Blane can fool you right in front of your own face, and deception specialist Apollo Robbins can steal your wallet right in front of your eyes and make you not even realize he did it even though he points to the camera and shows you the person’s wallet and laughs like did you see that I just showed them the wallet I stole from them and they didn’t even notice it, so anyone that had these abilities for real, would not be stupid enough to come out in the open and tell other people about it as they’d be treated as a nutjob and if they could actually prove it was real then like I said before, the government would lock them away forever.

It just sounds to me like some people are still not clear of where the line is drawn between comic book powers and real modern day magician powers. It sounds like teenage roleplaying stuff to me. Nothing wrong with roleplaying, I love comic-con and am a nerd for Sci-Fi stuff but I know the difference between real obtainable or self born abilities and science fiction Criss Angel illusion abilities.

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Here’s where I am currently -

Read through the “crazy” part of any grimoire. The list of spirits and their specialities, the pentacles and squares and what they do, etc.

It’s all literal, quite true, and extremely easy. The HOW is almost never explicitly given, but when you have it explained by various teachers, you’ll see it was right there implicitly all along.

What I keep learning about magic is that they keep it a secret because IT’S REALLY FUCKING EASY. Most talented magicians don’t know the real mechanics - they gradually, fumblingly learn the sequence of “things to do” on their end that gives them the best hit rate on results, but they don’t understand the middle part where “SOMETHING” converts their actions into results. Then when they don’t get the results in the book, they start making up mumbo-jumbo excuses for why they haven’t gotten there yet.

Hey, can show me please which sigil is it in the grimoire verum? Thanks

What sorts of things?