Hello. I’m wondering if there are angels that have no bonds with cristian/muslim and etc “God”. If that so, I want to work with them. Any ideas how to find them?
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the concept of angel originates from the abrahamic religions so i doubt it. you might find luck in spirits from other traditions that have angel-like traits, perhaps in hinduism, but otherwise, you probably cant.
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Egyptian angels maybe
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Many angels do not serve God.
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What God? Yahweh? Pretty much all the angels are not servants of him, at most they tolerate him. They only “serve” the Source (Tao), and that also means the “Tao” of the magician. The “Head” who commands the Angels is Metatron and his brother Sandalphon, and above them in hierarchy comes you and the Source.
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The Angels of Omnipotence.
The angels from the Kingdoms of Flame.
The Enochian angels.
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This is under debate… The JCI religions plagiarized most of their stuff from the Mesopotamian region, particularly Sumeria, Akkadia and the Zoroastrian religion, which was a reform of a much older ancient Iranian religion. In the Sumerian religions there were already concepts of messengers and protective personal deities which today we call guardian angels.
The debate comes in with the function of these beings, but basically non-human entities associated with the gods existed that helped humans. In the ancient Iranian religion these were worshiped as “Daivas” (and Hinduism still has Devas today)… and then you see again (in the wiki linked above) the usual story that Daivas were “demonized” by conquering races. Different people same old shit. There’s no such thing as “demons” - it’s a political psyop label because humans have shitty integrity when they want to win.
Note: The word “angel” is an English translation and obviously English didn’t exist back then, and we have ascribed a different feeling to “angel” than the ancient documentation describes for the messengers. The bible didn’t even start to be written until at least 100 years AFTER Christ died. It’s largely hearsay, half-remembered history and stolen shit for this reason. Michael was written about in the 2nd/3rd Century BC.
If you’re interested in the history of these religions and what they believed, the historian Freddy Silva has a bunch of interesting interviews on Gaia, and I also like Esoterically on youtube, although he’s focused on JCI more.
Anyway, back to the question - so the term “god” is also a problem - there was never only one, whoc which god do you mean?
“Elohim”, you see, is the PLURAL. The singular is El. YWHW is an El - one of many.
And he was the only El, per the documents, who was a psychotic despot that demanded everybody pay attention to only him and ignore the rest of the Elohim. Tells you everything, really. Knowledge is power.
Ok, so…
Yes. I think these are real beings that don’t owe their existence to the writings about them that only happened centuries later, for one thing.
But in addition, even after Judaism was invented and talked about them and named some, there were many, many “messengers”, for the many Elohim. The Elohim fought among themselves (the “war in heaven”) over dominance and resources, of which resources included humans and the messengers fought each other, and then you have “the fall” - basically the losing messenger were depicted as the bad guys without any kind of nuance or compassion.
Where did Cain go when he was exiled? The Land of Nod - where there were people and another god - another El - and he built a city. And the rest of that story has been lost.
Remember: YHWH was a WAR GOD. he won, his people write the history and destroyed the rest of the stories and shat on the conquered from a great height. Always remember what you are dealing with in JCI is VERY is incomplete information - evil cannot create, only destroy.
Ergo - every single “fallen” angel, or “watcher” is an angel that is not aligned with YWHW.
You can also evoke any entity and ask them. This level of being is generally frank and honest and will just tell you if they have a conflict of loyalty, if you ask.
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I can’t recommend strongly enough, that anyone who wants to be a mage, to know himself and understand what’s going on in the unseen, to know the history.
To not know history and only follow modern consensus dogma, is to believe what the authors of today’s dogma believe, and what they believe was written by the conquerors who rewrote that history to control the people’s minds. There’s a reason the Catholic church threw out 2 books from the bible in 300 AD… they contained info they didn’t want you to know. But not all documentation was destroyed and conflicting account exists, info exists, if you look for it, meditate on it, sometimes channel it for yourself.
To think for yourself, you have to question everything anyone ever told you.
That includes me, go back to the source and find out for yourself, do your research, it’s the only way you’ll get an opinion that’s truly your own.
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