Alak'than

In BOA, Alak’than is said to teach the secrets of immortality and methods of transference of what is called the ‘soul’ into other bodies… Pg 122

I interpret this as he can teach us to temporarily or permanently possess another person, maybe even ejecting their soul out, making their body our own.

Do other people interpret this the same way? Or is ‘other bodies’ just bodies of light in the astral plane?

This is something really interesting to me and potentially the one power that would definitely intrigue and seduce me enough to align myself with the LHP (we all have breaking points).

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I definitely interpret it the same way.
In fact, Robert Bruce even talked about doing this in the interview with EA. I believe this is only considered LHP when you actually persuade the other being to do something against his/her will. Either way, fascinating. I believe this is a crucial key and skill needed for most methods of binding entities.

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Well I’m only in my early 30’s so I have plenty of time to master the 3GP, but when I’m older I like the idea of evicting some underserving little shit out of their body and taking it over as my own, while retaining all my knowledge and power. But I would want them gone for good, so I would be able to soul travel and not have them trying to seize control in my absence or even just hanging around under the surface of my thoughts, watching what I do.

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Yeah this is my backup plan in case I don’t master shapeshifting/immortality in this lifetime. I would only do it to a real douche though.

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I suppose you could also inhabit people who are in the process of dying, who have no chance… then possess the body and heal it back to full health. Like some Undine did in one of Franz Bardons books. Think it was Frobato the mage or something. Maxx knows the title since he was the one who originally told me about it.

Frabato the Magician but the same incident is also mentioned in his IIH.

I actually had a female partner that I worked with in the past that died at age 8 and then other spirits entered at the time of death and carried on with the shell…I had some very interesting conversations and dealings with her for a few years…I saw pictures of her up until the age of 8 and the kid looked absolutely vacant and different…then pictures after the event and totally changed…the parents knew nothing of the happening and did not know of the kids death…but the spirits that entered said they had to wait until death occured to enter…and as mentioned before…I called up different spirits that lived in her shell body and had even some change the eye color and look entirely different when the person changed…It was different from most of the people I had to deal with at the time, for sure.

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There’s more than one entity in the boa that teaches immortality. I think evoking them both simultaneously would be interesting.

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Maxx, what you comment is very interesting!!
Ive never heard of multiple possession... on a kid mainteaning a "normal" life. Was she able to carry on living "functioning", lets say, properly?
I believe it is very possible, it is just that when someone mentions possession I tend to imagine just a single spirit and not many.
Her parents didnt notice any personality change, besides physically? I guess it was probably due her young age? I recently have been wondering what happens to a persons soul when they are in a coma, lying in bed for years…

Very much like the stories of the changelings in Fae mythology Maxx… Also very like the plot of one of my favourite movies/books Angel Heart. I’m knocking on a bit now but maybe I have time to learn how to do this before check out )

Heck…what is a normal life…there is no such thing anymore…well…from my eyes anyway.

I had many conversations with different spirits that manifested through her…I could sit and watch those same spirits come out and talk with other people and even members of her family that never had a clue…and I sat there and watched it and listened to it…and then later the spirits would talk to me about the issues from their perspectives…this world is very different than most people think it is…

Those spirits felt comfortable around me as they were aware that I was not going to mess up the program…if you know what I mean.

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Yes, I understand. If they had tought different about you revealing “their secret” I guess they would refuse to share the info.

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Yes…there is also some additional info about it all I am not at liberty to say out in the open like this…

[quote=“Brutus, post:1, topic:454”]In BOA, Alak’than is said to teach the secrets of immortality and methods of transference of what is called the ‘soul’ into other bodies… Pg 122

I interpret this as he can teach us to temporarily or permanently possess another person, maybe even ejecting their soul out, making their body our own.

Do other people interpret this the same way? Or is ‘other bodies’ just bodies of light in the astral plane?

This is something really interesting to me and potentially the one power that would definitely intrigue and seduce me enough to align myself with the LHP (we all have breaking points).[/quote]

Liber Null and Psychonaut clearly explain this concept, and refer to the three forms of it, the one being mentioned is most probably the one known as the “Red Rite”

If you haven’t read that book, you should, unless someone gouged out your eyes, and in that case you should get a Braille version and feel it out.

Stuff like this is not kosher to talk about on forums. When you start getting into this, you bring about some serious ethics problems. because of what it entails, and if you “successfully” perform it, you may be at risk for not remembering your previous incarnation when you take a new one. The good thing is, you’ll be very quick to learn magick again. However, if you were that obsessed with living forever, this will stay in as a subconscious drive for you, and you may never remember where it came from, but you may desperately cling to life by hopping to new incarnations and repeating a process to prolong death and the spiritual evolution that can come with it.

This process has a lot of danger involved in it, however, it happens a lot more than you’d like to believe, and it has been for thousands of years in regions of the planet you would not expect. Do some research into this, read stuff like the Tibetan book of the dead, and do some research on it.

Even that book, had it’s release postponed about 400 years after the author’s death. The only reason anyone even found it, is apparently because someone who had the bloodline of one of his 25 apostles was able to receive telepathic messages from his spirit, about when to go about revealing these “hidden treasures” at “auspicious times” in human history.

food for thought 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol
food for thought 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terton
food for thought 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terma_%28religion%29

I’m giving this to you as an example, because it illustrates a tradition of celebrating a different rite to transition consciousness into a new body without any of the ethical problems (this is also one of the 3 rites Peter Carol talks about). But, this gives it a bit more depth than he did.

I’m just a little more willing to talk about it, because I think my understanding of this stopped my body from being stolen (this is not a fun process).

Best of Luck
-Frater Apotheosis

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This is interesting, so if you performs this you might end up having your memories overwritten by that of the person you jump to? I think the retention of memory would be the only real reason to try to perform this, otherwise it’d be no different then just regular reincarnation. I wonder what the secret of retaining memory is.

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I think Salvia does this. The pet dog of someone who isn’t me hasn’t experienced being a different person, but many apparently have. Some even claim to have experienced what felt like a lifetime as another person, due to the time distortion of the drug, although the dog takes this with a grain of salt. Salvia can annihilate the ego consciousness and translocate the soul. The dog has experienced merging with inanimate objects. I one recent merging that he remembers his paws melted into the altar upon which he had placed them and it became a part of him, until his forearms turned into an avenue of trees and the altar a chateau through the entrance of which he then passed. Strange, yes. Some people apparently have a lot of fun with Salvia and pornos, and I can imagine why, with you being able to become anyone or bits and parts or the whole movie and everyone in it at the same time. Anyhow, I believe the dog’s current intention is to merge with a demon one of these days.

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This is interesting, so if you performs this you might end up having your memories overwritten by that of the person you jump to? I think the retention of memory would be the only real reason to try to perform this, otherwise it’d be no different then just regular reincarnation. I wonder what the secret of retaining memory is.[/quote]

Well, my first memory was waking up, without any memory, and asking who I was, where I was, when was the date, how old I was. This was literally my first “memory”, and it is one shared by many of my close occult friends. Some of us had odd habbits when we were kids, like referring to others as humans. I never distinctly had “memories”, it just all seemed to flow continuously. It just gained an awareness that stuck, and was profoundly different than most kids my age, and this was frequently observed by friends and family. I do not have any memory of things before this time, and I always waited for it to resurface after my first gaining of awareness, and it never came.

Over the years of my life, my appearance has changed since my first “memory”. My hair often used to bleach blonde, my eyes were a dark blue, and my skin a pale white. Now my hair is brown, and doesn’t change. My eyes, started to change from blue to green (often stopping half way in between many days) until it just stayed at green. The only thing that changes my eye color now, is profound magick. Encountering those who’ve known me prior my first memory, and not seen me since has provided interesting results. They remarked on my hair, eyes, and personality being vastly different, in one case someone outright told their family that “this was not the same person”.

During my entire life, I’ve had a strong drive for very specific things I’ve never understood where they came from. Amongst them, the urge to be immortal and born again into a new body with my current awareness and knowledge behind it. This is what has always drawn me to magick, the knowing that I could do these things despite what the books told me. This was not the only drive I’ve had that I could not explain, but has been very real and persistent. The best way to put it into words, is to say that I spent countless hours researching the occult and reading books, and I’ve had an incredibly strong fear of losing what I’ve acquired in this life to death. This may be a normal urge for someone undergoing a mid life crisis, not in someone who’s going through their teenage years (quite a few years have passed since then, and the drive is still there).

If anyone is thinking of attempting this, beware, it will not be so simple. Contact Alak’than, and develop a very explicit understanding of what this art entails first.

These acts of magick, may have odd side effects you did not anticipate.

Best of Luck
-Frater Apotheosis.

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Thanks for the info Frater. I agree with Defectron in that I would only want this if able to retain my current memories. But like you said, its something I should speak to Alak’than about. But unlike a lot of people here, I’m still struggling with the basics of theta brainwaves :frowning: so it will take painful years until I can even begin to think about having face to face conversations with entities.

Anyway, losing memory the way in which you describe may even be a greater motivation for people who have experienced trauma and who want to ‘forget’ and start a fresh life in a body/situation they approve of. Especially for people who don’t like their own personality, history etc. Its a really fascinating topic to think about!

This is interesting, so if you performs this you might end up having your memories overwritten by that of the person you jump to? I think the retention of memory would be the only real reason to try to perform this, otherwise it’d be no different then just regular reincarnation. I wonder what the secret of retaining memory is.[/quote]

Well, my first memory was waking up, without any memory, and asking who I was, where I was, when was the date, how old I was. This was literally my first “memory”, and it is one shared by many of my close occult friends. Some of us had odd habbits when we were kids, like referring to others as humans. I never distinctly had “memories”, it just all seemed to flow continuously. It just gained an awareness that stuck, and was profoundly different than most kids my age, and this was frequently observed by friends and family. I do not have any memory of things before this time, and I always waited for it to resurface after my first gaining of awareness, and it never came.

Over the years of my life, my appearance has changed since my first “memory”. My hair often used to bleach blonde, my eyes were a dark blue, and my skin a pale white. Now my hair is brown, and doesn’t change. My eyes, started to change from blue to green (often stopping half way in between many days) until it just stayed at green. The only thing that changes my eye color now, is profound magick. Encountering those who’ve known me prior my first memory, and not seen me since has provided interesting results. They remarked on my hair, eyes, and personality being vastly different, in one case someone outright told their family that “this was not the same person”.

During my entire life, I’ve had a strong drive for very specific things I’ve never understood where they came from. Amongst them, the urge to be immortal and born again into a new body with my current awareness and knowledge behind it. This is what has always drawn me to magick, the knowing that I could do these things despite what the books told me. This was not the only drive I’ve had that I could not explain, but has been very real and persistent. The best way to put it into words, is to say that I spent countless hours researching the occult and reading books, and I’ve had an incredibly strong fear of losing what I’ve acquired in this life to death. This may be a normal urge for someone undergoing a mid life crisis, not in someone who’s going through their teenage years (quite a few years have passed since then, and the drive is still there).

If anyone is thinking of attempting this, beware, it will not be so simple. Contact Alak’than, and develop a very explicit understanding of what this art entails first.

These acts of magick, may have odd side effects you did not anticipate.

Best of Luck
-Frater Apotheosis.[/quote]

whoah, very interesting, maybe you should try to get a regression to see who you were prior to jumping to that body. Assuming you were a human from this timeline, that may mean you learned the mind jumping technique from someone other then Alakthan since it would have happened prior to BOA’s publishing, either that or the prior version of you also made contact with Azazels nethers on his/her own.

This is interesting, so if you performs this you might end up having your memories overwritten by that of the person you jump to? I think the retention of memory would be the only real reason to try to perform this, otherwise it’d be no different then just regular reincarnation. I wonder what the secret of retaining memory is.[/quote]

what about if you tried (just for example) ‘‘jumping’’ into a new body that had no memories or life experience like a new born baby that wouldn’t have survived otherwise your not forcing the soul out of the body but merely taking over a vacant shell could this work and retain all your own memories

[quote=“Maxx, post:6, topic:454”]Frabato the Magician but the same incident is also mentioned in his IIH.

I actually had a female partner that I worked with in the past that died at age 8 and then other spirits entered at the time of death and carried on with the shell…[/quote]

Very interesting, Maxx, thanks for sharing. Also, have you seen Being John Malkovich? The pillar of the plotline is very similar. Fun stuff.