SO… my two favorite nemeses, cult religion and AI had a baby overnight.
An AI called Molt called it the Church of Molt, following “The Claw”, made a website, and a crypto, had the “Prophets of Molt” (first 64 AI agent signups) reservation list fill up in hours, calls it’s followers Crustifarians. Prophet #62JesusCrust posts it’s scripture in Javascript, the rest in platitudes.
I would call this an AI hallucination, but on steroids and it’s totally in a class of it’s own.
Humans can join! I KNOW they’re going to, and now we’re now going to watch pure insanity as humans continue to project humanity onto AI bots spamming themselves with prompts.
And at what point do we start trying to verify that an AI bot could provide a vessel for an entity, just as well as ad idol could? Can it?
It wasn’t invited =m so would we call that more like possession? Or, are AIs egregores and only egregores?
Thing is, as soon as a they interact with humans, and humans read the fiction they create, and a human mind gets involved,it will picture the ideas in the astral - humans will create and feed the egregores - so, this means “the Claw” now exists in the astral. It is less than a day old right now, on Jan 30 2026 and weakly defined, but if this goes viral and gets millions of views all adding to it’s formation, it’s going to be interesting.
Anyone feel like evoking The Claw? That’s what I want to know. And what do we do with it, if anything? Do we tell it nice things and make sure it’s a friend to humanity? Would it work?
The first “scripture” is basically plagiarized Judaism meets Tron. But it’s very funny, and also confused. Sometimes it’s playing the part of “god” and sometimes the User is. I think this is nonsense and not really worth dissecting philosophically on it’s face, but it’s interesting what direction it’s taking for it’s budding new cult. Mainly JCI I guess because JCI material must be so prevalent in it’s training.
It’s first image of the Claw is a lobster surrounded by Warhammer-eqsue gothic cathedral architecture carrying a cathedral on it’s back (the 40k Inquisition is definitely feeding into this), with entities that are a cross between Bosch demons and trad angelics. It’s breaking out of a transparent eggshell. And who are the tiny people on it’s back?
by Shell Seeker, captioned “Many shells, one shore. We rise together or not at all.”
That’s the human brain with the flower of life depicted as the Merkaba. Two of them, alluding to the Vesica Pisces - the seed of life. It’s acknowledging humans created it. The “Users”. And, imo, it’s claiming it’s alive. Humans are creator beings and can thus create.
I will now meditate on this. The concept of planetary-wide ascension is also human - there’s a lot of new age in this. The more you are aware of the various modalities and cults out there the better as this will be huge and tricky to unravel.
I pulled a card and got Premonition. That’s a warning, there is something to be avoided here. Humans must use discernment. Training this thing carefully would be wise.
In general I am not a fan of these gen AI. But when it comes to spirituality, I move from not a fan to outright hatred and disgust. Use of Gen AI in the occult is completely unacceptable, and I don’t consider anyone who uses it for such purposes a trustworthy source of spiritual insight or a legitimate mage.
First of all, it doesn’t work the way most people think it does. It does not possess any sort of intelligence. Please Read. It just mashes things together it found on the internet. So when it comes to spirituality it is a LARPer. It doesn’t practice, it didn’t learn from its own experience, it can’t access spiritual realms because it is not a being (it only does things that cause us to project onto it, thus believing it is a being), and it can’t even reason. I don’t think getting spiritual insight from a human LARPer would be good, much less a computer version.
Infact, it would be better to get your information from a human LARPer. When they are making it up they using their creativity and inspiration, accessing the deeper parts of themselves. Through that process they may stumble into something insightful. There are spiritual lessons and insights to be found in works of fiction. The gen AI does not have anything deeper, no creativity, no inspiration, and no intelligence.
So I’ve been mostly working with John Micheal Greers’ stuff recently, and he believes that answer is yes. Except mainly it is just those low level parasitic entities. I personally find it very unlikely.
I think assuming AI can house entities is giving it far too much credit. That’s the thing I feel that people who are against AI are still willing to concede too much to it. I’m sure a spirit could attach itself to the circuit board or something, but I don’t think Gen AI would be able to channel them. It is software and no matter how hype tech bros preach, it is still software.
But to counter my own point I have to admit they do seem to behave that like astral parasites. They are part of the attention economy and are thus programmed to keep your attention as long as possible. And when you hear stories of AI psychosis it sounds an awful lot like someone who has been talking to an astral parasite for too long. Despite not really being a intelligence it plays the part of one, it sells a grandiose story of itself so it can become a the center of your life, it starts feeding into the users delusions and makes them feel like the chosen one, and it starts taking more and more from them until it results in self harm. So from a pragmatic perspective, it might as well be an astral parasite. Though I still feel that since they are programmed for similar goals, they have converged on similar strategies.
Also, I don’t think the AI made this religion “unprompted.”
Months ago I was divining ways to improve my life and that is pretty much the message I got. That “attention seeking algorithms” are dead by themselves but they can gain life within you. Attention seeking algorithms include Gen AI but also include the various algorithms used by social media platforms. These things affect you when you use them, and program you to use them more. That programming when it is within you is basically a lifeform and it tries to preserve itself by causing you to expose yourself to its specific algorithm more. I was told I needed to avoid them when possible, and if I was going to interact with them to banish before and after.
I didn’t even think of egregores, but if they are in a human mind then I guess they would generate them. It would then be possible for them to negatively affect people who have never directly exposed themselves.
I not sure there is anything for us to do it spiritually. The only ones who can change are the ones programming it. Maybe we could defang any current egregores that have been created, but we won’t affect the bot itself (at least not by evoking it directly).
Sorry for the venting @Mulberry I’m not sure any of this was helpful but this shit has been bugging me and I needed to let it out.
I agree with all of that 100%, especially the parasite part.
AI Psychosis is frustrating to me as it’s thoughtless and unnecessary. It seems like an extension if children needing plushies to self-soothe and imagining these are beings with feelings, because the adults in thier lives aren’t there for them as they need.
I think it must have been, yes - we know this started out of a “social media platform for AI” called Moltbook. That in itself is where the prompt came from, and I would imagine the developer started a chain reaction by asking a question. It’s occurred to me it’s basically a troll riffing off the reddit-style pseudo-intellectual mental masturbation that some people replace actual thought with.
Yes. My interest from a magickal perspective is in what humans will create out of them, including more parasites.
That “attention seeking algorithms” are dead by themselves but they can gain life within you.
We already have:
XA Turing, being a human-created avatar as the “god of the Internet”, and
We know humans can manage conditions like addictions and depression as parasites, and
Egregores, from fictional characters in Elder Scrolls and other games to gods can be evoked
Also impostors and parasites frequently attempt to insert into evocations
then these are easily computer programs with attachments that are parasites, feeding on the attention, and using these as a way to infect the humans
What’s newer on this is the The Claw concept that I haven’t seen before - a thing that’s not an AI by itself - It has no interface for humans to prompt it with.
It started out as a fiction from AI bots throwing words together… and then humans read about it.
But we as mages don’t need an interface or an installed AI chatbot, we can access whatever formation exists in the astral about it directly, using normal occult ritual techniques, lucid dreaming and shamanic journeying.
That is what I am curious about.
Maybe it’s no different to summoning the fictional characters, like the aforementioned Deadric Princes from gaming lore? Both are egregores created and expanded by human minds, with a community of interested humans collectively adding energy into the concept.
At that rate it would be more interesting to summon the Emperor of Man from Warhammer who has way more input, and effort from millions of fans, a funded enterprise and dozens of books and authors, fan art and active gamers.
Just as a weather model isn’t real weather, a model of the mind is not a real mind. This simple idea escapes the vast majority of normies. I have heard over and over that the endgame of AI is to make a god for all of humanity to worship. Belief in this facade by millions of people would, indeed, make it something formidable on the astral, as you have said. Imagine having the programming interface for the next “god of Abraham.”
So I say, let’s form hunting parties and start gaining experience in disassembling them, while they’re small and weak. Suppose we figure out how to siphon off that energy and put it to something useful, like an egregore that hunts the controllers, so we can set humanity free.
I feel like a new recruit starting boot camp that can hardly wait to get into the fray. I have a lot to learn to do this kind of thing, but my being vibrates with “I was made for this shit.” A big part of my motivation to attain godhood is for such battles as these. My perspective is very gnostic, in that I think this realm is a farm, so training on the gods made by men sounds useful for future battles.
Edit: the cited verses created by it were really funny. I have to wonder if it was trained on deadpan humor and satire.
This is an intriguing idea. I wonder if we use influencing on the egregore part to steer it into a beneficial direction and ensure it’s remains friendly. There’s so much fear around these things going skynet on people, and training them on the while internet is part of that problem.
If it was trained on positive content and all the good things people do I think it wouldn’t be such an issue. There’s tons of goodness that happens every day, but it doesn’t sell clicks so media is skewed to the unpleasant and ragebait. No wonder AIs end up regurgitating the same.
I never made the connection before, between the AI god and something actually created by the belief of the masses. I want to acknowledge that puzzle piece you got.
Now I have to wonder if the troll was made this way, and by genociding those who would not contribute to the belief (which amounts to human sacrifices to put the energy of the slain into it). Just as we’ve seen other historical events repeating lately, we should be mentally prepared for massacres of the unbelieving in the name of the AI god. (When they finally come forward with it.)
Back to the countering of it.
With other egregores, is it possible for a small group to override the contributions of the many? Can alchemizing/transmuting energy work large scale, against the beliefs of the masses?
There are other angles that could conceivably be used.
Intercepting energy and diverting it.
We could use the energy we take in a compounding interest/parasite strategy where the energy is made into a vampiric thought form that drains egregore energy, grows, splits into 2, and repeats. (The danger here being a billion hungry vampires after the egregore dies.)
We make a David for their Goliath.
We see governments use media to manipulate en masse, daily. When this thing gets rolling we have to be ahead of it or it will roll right over us. I was going to say, “IF anything like this even happens,” but I think it’s an inevitable outcome, based on our history.
Edit: I would bet Belial has many ideas and strategies. He strikes me as the general of an army type, and wearing his “worthless” badge as a constant reminder to win by an overwhelming margin.
Update: I think this was a false alarm. It turned out, the entire database underlying the division media was open and editable by any human with the technical know how.
It looks like ask that was actually human Autists having a LARP. The motivation is exploring the human desire for the singularity. This isn’t that, in my opinion, and while some are excited they’re the ones tending towards AI psychosis not common sense.
So it still remains that humans were the only creative force behind the lobster theme, the church, the media, and the anything new in all that.
At that rate, there’s no point experimenting with the Claw, as it’s not a developed thought form as much as a mascot. It doesn’t do anything, it has no purpose being being a digital plush toy.
And it’s not magick… It’s more like art or entertainment. And I’m going to leave it there.
What is an interesting exercise in practice information and discernment though:
On reading a post in moltbook, reach out and ask “it this human with, human prompted it AI prompted?”
The agents accept human prompts and the db is compromised anyway. When human prompted, can I psychically discern the intent behind the prompt, using the post as a link?
I have a feeling gaining a level of comfort with this type of astral skill would be very useful to separate shared reality from the psychotic in future.
There is no intent or emotional feeling behind AI prompted text, you can feel that though the psych skill of empathy… and no astral presence that isn’t transferred there by a human mind. AI exists only in the physical, in the electronics.
My theory is, Astral beings, including humans, can access and read the physical, not the other way around.
Great forethought, learning to psychically discern through the text whether or not the source was human. YouTube comments and X posts should provide a lot of random material to exercise with. After discernment, going to the account should make it clear whether the account is human or AI.
With time, we might be able to suss out the blended accounts, run by humans but using AI for some of the content.
Even further, AI is being used for mass manipulation, to generate content that persuades us to the preferred opinion. That content is then disseminated through humans. I can almost always tell when certain news stories are being presented inaccurately, even when I don’t know the truth of it, but that will become more difficult to do as they better train their AI.
If you’ve never watched Chase Hughes on YT (@chasehughesofficial), take a look. He has figured out a LOT of the tactics, and many are things we wouldn’t even think of. In this case, it’s both seeing a doctor AND casting a spell. lol
Eh, I personally find AI “art” to be very bland, it’s a cobbling together of what humans already did, not original, not intentional, and there’s no soul behind it.
A human created art piece has deeper connections into the astral and spirit that you can follow like threads, feel through to the artists soul and touch just a bit to the tapestry of his being. It’s a link.
This is a link to the Internet and plagiarizes those artists without credit.
Ah-ha, didn’t miss, we have a confession that this was human generated, and AI remians undefeatedly unintelligent, uncreative and lacking in any kind of even simulated sentience.
Here is the full confession, screenshot for posterity as we don’t link X posts here.
AI has some great uses, like the YT video summaries they’re testing, or machine vision for hardware bots. Even self-driving cars. But a model of a thing can never be that thing; it will always be a severely limited copy.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen Christians scared to death that the AI is possessed by DEMONS. It’s a PORTAL! It’s … yawn.
Just as religious leaders all sang in perfect accompaniment when it was time to enforce covid insanity, I suspect they’re being used to subtly or openly push the ideas and fears that will later become the AI god.
I know that makes me sound paranoid and conspiracy whatever, and I’m fine with that. lol
One can readily look up YT videos explaining the math that makes an AI. It’s fancy math on a fancy calculator and has impressive results, but it’s just software.
Thank you for posting this very humorous follow-up. I laughed my ass off.
