Would you/how would you... indoctrinate a child

[Thatonememer]

This is something on my mind latley. For starters I would teach my child that magick is very real. Maybe around 5-8 teach them simple magickal concepts or myths from around the world. I would tell my child what I did privately. But I would wait to introduce left handed path and proper workings until they were properly a teenager.

For example theirs a ritual where you take the first nail clippings of your child and bury them under an ash tree and they will from then on be gifted with a beautiful singing voice. I would probably do that ritual and teach my child about it around age 5, though tell about it younger, it’s a ritual that can’t really harm them in any way but gives them a gift [song] via magick, it’s an easy folk magick ritual to perform and would be a great teaching lesson as they get older. little things like that to ease them into it. tell them about my operations at an arms length/distance but only truly start teaching them when they develop an interest should they proper. Of course never forcing a child is rather important. If your child rejects magick, respect that and don’t be one of those people.

[TheGreyGuy]

@Lady_Eva

unrestricted internet to view porn that’s designed to warp people

@Lady_Eva

when they’re old enough to understand you explain why these things are off limits, and what happens to people who consume them

Mom??? What are you doing on BALG?!

Jokes aside, we shall not restrict kids to watch porn, they will watch it anyway. I’m speaking from experience. My mother (not talking about you ) was fucked up in the head from the fucking beginning. All my childhood she have taught me that talking to girls, sitting next to girls, thinking about girls or even seeing two people kissing on TV is fucking “evil” and I’m an absolutely horrible person and no different than a fucking rapist if I like girls or anything sexual.
I wish that hypocrite had that “anything sexual is evil” shit in her mind while my dad was banging her. Rant over.

I personally think that we must keep an eye on our kids’ internet activities because it’s filled with really messed up shit like, dozens of fucked up subreddits, websites like bestgore and much more.
Coming to porn, abusive porn (which would easily be around 80% of all porn), cuckold porn, animal porn and child porn can really mess up a kids head. We already have so many kids literally ending their own lives just because they think they are useless or unworthy because the size of their penis or breasts is not big enough and porn is one of the biggest culprit of it. Softcore porn is absolutely fine, IMO.
Instead of keeping our children away from something that’s as natural as eating and shitting, we should teach our children about sex in a healthy way and should treat sex like what it is, a completely natural biological thing.

[fapa79]

I’d try complying with society i.e. being cautious about occult, but generally I would help delving into whatever may interest, Christianity included (but leaving out sects and other risky or suspicious stuff).

[davethebarbarian]

Teaching is one thing. Indoctrination is more extreme. To me indoctrination means to brainwash someone into some ideology. Usually through tactics of manipulation or force. This means punishing the child for free thinking (being a kid) and rewarding them when they comply, which is what people in cults do. In which case I consider indoctrination ethically wrong.

As for teaching, I wouldn’t pursue teaching a child about occult/magical/spiritual philosophy. If one gets interested, I may answer a few questions, but I just think these things are for adults, 18 and up, considering the themes involved. Or better yet 21. Plus, I would prefer to be in a coven/group of legal aged adults. So I wouldn’t want children/teens present AT ALL.

What I would do is teach children the mythologies and legends. I’d let that be an inspiration for them as it was for me. I’d teach them social contract theory as a basis for morality. This is so they can grow up applying critical thinking to moral dilemmas as opposed to blindly accepting some moral assumption, most likely from a divine command theory way of thinking.

Then when they take an interest in magick and the occult, I’ll know that they are ready. After being inspired by tales of heroes and gods, contemplating right and wrong philosophically, They’ll hopefully be responsible as magicians and people. Still, I wouldn’t actually teach until they were of age. I’d support them, maybe give some advice, but nothing else.

[anon636077]

@TheGreyGuy

websites like bestgore

Watching people die on Bestgore is probably less harmful than porn.

because we live in such a sterilized, techno advanced society, it may actually be beneficial to see that stuff once in a while.

There’s a reason why ptsd rates for soldiers are so high in the West.

I’m serious.

[Morgana9]

Thst could go in circles but your point was valid. If I had been given the freedom to bring up my children all the way things would have been different if i had embraced magick instead of denying it out of fear of retribution things would have been awsome. But that doesn’t matter. . What matters is showing by evidence. Example. My youngish witnessed me going blank by antidepressants she then saw me shake all that shit off she saw me begin meditation begin ancestral altars do spells that results and changes she now enjoys the benefits of having her mum mentally and physically available not locked frozen by a terrifying or tragic moment. She has seen religion minded people and she has seen me. She chose my way. Why. By the evidence of change how her mum is not controling her very thoughts… that doesn’t mean we don’t have rules and respectable behaviour with those we interact with. She can be moody hormonal as fuck but thats chemical she knows that by by being courteous she us not loosing her identity or freedom. Were not perfect. But we are free to recognise useful ways of interacting.
Ok my speil is over.

[TheGreyGuy]

@anon636077

Watching people die on Bestgore is probably less harmful than porn.

because we live in such a sterilized, techno advanced society, it may actually be beneficial to see that stuff once in a while.

How? Can you explain your viewpoint in more detail?

@anon636077

There’s a reason why ptsd rates for soldiers are so high in the West.

I completely agree! If they watch people dying horribly on a regular basis then they would be much less sensitive when they see it in real life or kill someone for the first time.

[anon636077]

Porn is an addiction, which you can read about here.

It’s important not to forget that we are also subject to these biological realities of our physical incarnate bodies. When considering human psychology, especially on a meta level, I usually consider “what did our anscestors experience for hundreds of thousands of years?”

They did experience violence, often. They did not experience 2d porn.

We have natural inclinations to violence, it is part of the human psyche, we do not have natural inclination to watch 2d people sex, it’s an addiction, and it creates people (especially men) who are impotent, weak and awkward.

Also, yes, watching mma, or bestgore or whatever is 2d, but it’s not a ‘replacement’ as much as porn, because in the former we don’t imagine ourselves participating, typically.

However, it is certainly preferable to outlet your own violent impulse with martial arts, or weightlifting (no damage to brain), or magick.

Also, pretty much all social interaction has foundation in sexual attraction and reproduction strategy. -Even platonic relations, between men for instance, which created the context for civilization, it’s all based on reproductive strategy.

Porn just destroys civilization, basically.

[TheGreyGuy]

Porn can indeed be an addiction, there’s no doubt it. But wanting to watch people having sex is normal, times were different back then, if they had porn videos 200 years ago, our ancestors would have definitely watched it.

Porn can be damaging in a lot of ways, especially when people start questioning their own worth as a sexual partner on the basis of the size of their sexual organs.

@anon636077

Porn just destroys civilization, basically.

I respectfully disagree.

P.S. Any not-too-violent bestgore recommendations?

[anon636077]

@TheGreyGuy

I respectfully disagree

That’s fine, but the military intelligence of a certain country didn’t broadcast hardcore porn over occupied tv stations for no reason.

@TheGreyGuy

P.S. Any not-too-violent bestgore recommendations

I’ve only been on the website a handful of times

[Mani]

I personally wouldn’t but I remember my Christian Baptism at Seven. You literally dunk them in water three times for the Trinitarian format while they’re in a robe.

[Morgana9]

All things in moderation. Please take this with a grain of salt and pepper it with common sense and get cheese twisty with my words.
Thanks

[Uncle-Al]

The younger the human being the higher is its vibration. I’d love to indoctrinate a young child, the younger the better. And they don’t suffer from (too much) school indoctrination. Young kids are natural Magicians until the system kicks all of that out of them!

I’d get the kids to compete in banishing until effects were detected, then they could compete doing evocation. After that they’d learn all about and be given their Magickal weapons to consecrate. By the time these kids hit high school they’ll be dangerous and better than the filth - and they’re still improving.

I’d teach the little ones Taro by training them to give completely believable and vaguely accurate readings just by making it up. I’d take them to readers and have them watch how the experts do it - mimicry. Then we’d learn what the cards represent and how to use them - active and passive.

I’d test them, ‘Give me two good excuses why your Magick didn’t work and if someone else has already given that excuse you’ll just have to think of something else.’ I’d try to get them hooked on caffeine, as I became addicted very young. The best students would have access to my snuffbox.

Al.

[Mani]

Nothin wrong with Porn at all just as theres nothing wrong with gambling, betting, smoking, drinking etc. All things require moderation as you said

[FromTheSky]

I won’t do anything except sneakily whispering to my child before it knows how to speak: “Belial is your godfather”

[Morgana9]

@FromTheSky live that answer.
I ysed wisper secret names to my children when they were small even when my son was still part of my life Id remind him : so whats your real name. He’d reply and I’d say just remember that.

[anon48532061]

wrong thread!

[Mapachtli]

Idgaf about porn. We all love porn, end of story.

Back on initiation of children into magick

[Micah]

offers method contrary to the opinion of almost the entire forum

I would bring my child into the rituals I would be doing so the can learn and observe.

They can hear the voice changes, see the poltergeist shit, etc from a young age so it would be nothing to them as they got older.

I would sit them on my lap as a baby in the Lotus position and I would clear their chakras as I would mine.

And maybe even Do some Black Alchemy on them

I would consecrate them with the Powers of Magic in general.

As they get older, I would emphasize that they are not obligated to kill people like I do, but they need to know how to protect themselves when mundane methods don’t work and the law fails them.

I would teach them all I know about Death Magic and have them kill so they know what it’s like.

Also, they would be aware that they don’t have to abide by whatever the religion of the household is. If they wanna be Christian, that’s fine. I ant gonna kick em out the house cause of that.

As they got into teen years I would monitor their interest and go with the grain and just observe them as individuals.

If my input is needed, so be it
If my input is not needed, so be it.

That’s how I would do it.

[Morgana9]

So the tribal shamanic route. Not an opposing idea… until you have children living in the cultural wave that we have.
Being a parent is full on but if you are describing an ultimate cultural immersion within another cultures’s preexisting dominance you would need constant extreme wards of protection… a buble. I will elucidate.
The western societies are made up with busy bodied simpletons so immeshed in their ideology that if they get even a hint that your not just a pagan - which is considered an acceptable way of people saying that they’re obeying society but put rainbows everywhere-. So you would have say at kindy your child would have to know at that age not to blurt out certain things, because busy body people can become very much like thorns off a rose.
How would you actually pull that iff practically. You’d need a society that allows for alternate lifestyles. … even homeschooling youd have problems.
If I was allowed to bring up my children they would have had organic home grown foods and chickens et c. The concept of junk food would be instilled as poison… as it is.
Idealism. Giving them freedom to be rebellious even to you.
I allow and encourage my daughter to join in rituals. But … ours was not ideal…
The last thing about children is they are full of their own personalities and will act the opposite of what you consider goid for them and “just because”. If they’re truly allowed to live with their own freedom their own Will. Then I cannot see how this is practical