That is an excellent idea Lady Eva. I have always kind of had this vision/dream about some kind of community meeting quarters - whether it was occult or something else i was part of… but its an interesting thought.
And not only meeting quarters, maybe some people could even live there 
idk i have many thoughts.
It would be hard, if not impossible, to get planning permission to convert the building for partial residential use, though personally I’d HAVE to live in it on the sly and sleep on the altar at least sometimes… it’s listed as a place of worship and that’d be the best way to keep it, under planning laws, but there would be possibilities to hold overnight vigils and stuff, aka whopping great black mass orgies, it’d literally be down to the bureaucracy of providing lavatory facilities, disabled access, and so on.
There’s a crypt, as well, so Euoi & co. could have fun down there, something for all the family! 
I know quite a lot about planning law as a result of other things and it would be feasible to accomplish something like this, since there’s not a change of use, it’s mainly down to money - first, to acquire the building, or at least the lease for a good long period, and then to pay to meet every last spec for altering it without damaging the original features and so on.
It’s in the same area as the British Museum, which is a few blocks south, the British Library is just a few blocks north, and also Birkbeck College is across the road from that church, and a bunch of other similar places, so it’d be cool to acquire a house in that area and have that fitted out as a library and educational centre of excellence for studying deep occultism, not just disguising it under the semi-academic title of “parapsychology” or whatever.
There’s a College of Psychic Studies in west London that’s legit, so there’s actually a precedent for this, and Watkins, Treadwells, and even newagey shop Mysteries are all a short walk away.
Not really something I have much hope of accomplishing, but it’s nice to have wild plans and dreams, mixed in with the everyday stuff! 
I’m not saying anything to your vision, but in my vision it wouldn’t have to be declared as a partial living quarters building - whatever i would have built/bought the members might just go live there for a while without informing any other organizations - just like someone would be visiting their friend for few weeks. Anyways i wasn’t talking about a church in london in my vision anyways i’m not sure what i was talking about.
Sounds good!! 
Does anyone else on here have semi-serious plans or daydreams for anything like this, or anything else major if you acquired really significant amounts of power and/or money?
I just want to add that i cannot promise that even if i got million dollars/quids/bucks/stearlings/euros now 
because building a massive community building like that to wizards would probably cost multiple millions. It always depends on the scale size of the daydream, there is possibility to do these things in smaller size for less amount of money.
In terms of goals, I would gather that before anything, I would like to be efficient and attain the things I need regardless of paradigmatic economics. Who knows how long the current sense of global economics is going to last, so I wouldn’t want to relegate or focus my modes of operation to being confined to utilizing money for my goals. There are ways to attain things and goals that don’t involve money and could be surprisingly easier if an individual or group of people allow it to be. But that’s my first priority, to be efficient and highly capable regardless of economic climate.
I am not sure my goals lead me to staying on this “Earth” or prioritizing it as the “place to be”. I really like the idea of creating my own universes and worlds, so whenever I learn to completely translate myself into those, I’m not sure how interested I will be in this world. However, considering that I do stay here and that I do utilize money for realizing a lot of my goals, I would say an immediate thing would be to move somewhere to learn some indigenous shamanism. I have heard some very interesting things about Peruvian shamans, and the shamanism that bred the various “Yoga” systems and Chinese/Taoist alchemies would be interesting to learn in person.
If I’m to stay here mostly, I would look to acquire my own private, sub-tropic to highly tropical island. While there, I would look to create technology and a way of living that focused on integration of bioenergetics, so that the technology was a living part of the island rather that a structure on the island. I’d look to have these things be integrative with the surroundings; animals would be free to walk in and out of people’s homes, and yet not feel intrusive to people. the energy configurations for powering homes and devices would come from a synergy with plants, animals, and humans there. This would involve an open communication interface between not just organic life, but also the life force of the inorganic materials there.
In terms of that, the only reason money would be necessary is for the acquisition of the island itself. I would not embark on this idea to integrate this island into the current manner of economy, as this island would completely sustain the inhabitants to a degree of of high thriving. Hence, one of the features of this island is to be incognito to those who do not gel with it, and inviting to those who do. I do not fear being assaulted by “the man” primarily because they do not care if people do these things. They only care when people are extremely public about this stuff, but otherwise you are pretty free to do this stuff on your own. Masking the presence of this place would satisfy everyone.
If I were to take this route, I’d suppose that I would be inclined to go completely wild and have about 200 kids of my own. In addition, I would adopt 200+ children from around the world to have them raised by people in a place that was truly magical. I really can’t think of much to do with the money on that island, so it would be best used to help facilitate the transfer of people who would actually benefit from being there, rather than perhaps publicizing it. Also, if my children chose to stay on that island, they would have folks the grew up with as family that the could develop relationships with. Of course, they are free to leave, they just have to be quiet about the island not only for it’s safety (I would plan that the island would be more than capable of defending itself), but also to dispel the idea of evangelizing ideals. The last thing I would do with this is try parading my ideals as being “better” than others.
So I guess that would be my way of utilizing money if that was to be the way I chose to experience things.
Guys I know somebody that is really rich multimilllionaire, I asked him to help me to become rich like him and his answer was:
NO
Because of course He doesn’t care is there any chanche that one of you that is really good with any ritual of Black magic,left summoning a Goetia demons,Angel,Whatchover left hand path,soul travel whatever, help me to transfer all his wealth from him to me of course breaking his free will, with some powerful black magic work, please guys I can share his wealth, pm me.
Meh: people make millions from virtually nothing all the time in business, but you’re not asking for skills to even make that money yourself via manufacturing golden socks or whatever, you want someone to do all the magick and you get all the reward, like no-one on here has ever known a millionaire except you, and you get to rip him off like he’s your personal property, and that’s like double-crap entitlement whingeing AND won’t get you the results you seek.
It seems to me that you don’t have the kind of attitude that brings wealth, if you seriously think that’s the best and only way you’re ever going to become a millionaire - you’re just looking with angry eyes at people who have what you want and plotting to fuck their lives up, which affirms that you don’t think you can ever have that for yourself through legit sources, which in turn means you won’t.
Try reading some Joe Vitale and getting familiar with the concept of blessing those who have what you want in your own life, not because it’s “nice” but because it WORKS. The universe exists but it’s also mirrored inside yourself, and if your first thought is “wealth deserves to be harmed” then guess what energies won’t be making their way into your life any time soon?
If it was up to me to fix that for you, I’d prescribe you a course of Napoleon Hill, Joe Vitale and then maybe some David Neagle to learn accountability and how you’re the centre of your own universe. That way the power is with you, not him, and no-one needs to get ripped off for you to have what’s rightfully yours.
That guy probably said NO because he recognises you don’t have what it takes, to do whatever he did - most people will look at someone more successful than them in any way, and yearn and envy them their ability or status, but when asked to do the exact same things that got that person there, they chicken out every time.
Meh: people make millions from virtually nothing all the time in business, but you’re not asking for skills to even make that money yourself via manufacturing golden socks or whatever, you want someone to do all the magick and you get all the reward, like no-one on here has ever known a millionaire except you, and you get to rip him off like he’s your personal property, and that’s like double-crap entitlement whingeing AND won’t get you the results you seek.
It seems to me that you don’t have the kind of attitude that brings wealth, if you seriously think that’s the best and only way you’re ever going to become a millionaire - you’re just looking with angry eyes at people who have what you want and plotting to fuck their lives up, which affirms that you don’t think you can ever have that for yourself through legit sources, which in turn means you won’t.
Try reading some Joe Vitale and getting familiar with the concept of blessing those who have what you want in your own life, not because it’s “nice” but because it WORKS. The universe exists but it’s also mirrored inside yourself, and if your first thought is “wealth deserves to be harmed” then guess what energies won’t be making their way into your life any time soon?
If it was up to me to fix that for you, I’d prescribe you a course of Napoleon Hill, Joe Vitale and then maybe some David Neagle to learn accountability and how you’re the centre of your own universe. That way the power is with you, not him, and no-one needs to get ripped off for you to have what’s rightfully yours.
That guy probably said NO because he recognises you don’t have what it takes, to do whatever he did - most people will look at someone more successful than them in any way, and yearn and envy them their ability or status, but when asked to do the exact same things that got that person there, they chicken out every time.[/quote]
The guy is rich because of his family not because he deserve it, my question was simple without judging anybody choise and going too much around, Can magic do what I asked for? I understand magic doesn’t work how we want a lot of taking but not real phisical result but anyway good businees for Ea his video I really entertaining, I like all of them.
I think you’d have more success boosting your own abilities and getting into some successful line of work than by trying to take it off someone - and how can you say he doesn’t deserve his birth? I imagine many of us on here would plan to have a birth next time round that gives us more opportunities and less restrictions, and he’s got that - good for him.
It’s not actually a moral issue, it’s down to how you see money - if you believe you can in your own right become a successful person, then you wouldn’t need to take from anyone because the world will be eager to give you what you ask for. And maybe one day you’ll be rich, and have a child, and want to give that child everything you can, so that’s another reason not to resent inherited wealth - most of us want to provide it, in wisdom and love as much as money - for our kids.
Magick works, it’s real, not just for EA but for all of us, and it can harm or heal, but that’s another topic. And suddenly this conversation seems strangely familiar…
^ i was thinking the same as Eva here, yet i still do understand that why Koby’s mind can wonder on this… Only solution i can think of is he cursing he’s friend to lose all the money for him although i’m not sure do i vote for doing so… Actually i’m not voting anything in this post i’m totally neutral as long it doesn’t consider me, lol!
Except i don’t think these guys are really friends if Koby is willing to steal all he’s money.
Well, this explains the concept of blessing in more detail: [url=http://www.alohainternational.org/html/aspirit1.html]http://www.alohainternational.org/html/aspirit1.html[/url]
It’s also perfectly aligned with the Laws in the Kybalion, which are the origins of the Law of Attraction and I’m only so enthusiastic about it because I’ve seen it work for me time and again, it’s much simpler than doing a spell or working to get simple things in life, AND it makes for a better life without a backlog of resentment and negativity against the world, which leads directly to victim-identity and thus attracts MORE crap, not less.
I used to be such an angry, bitter, hate-filled person, nothing went my way and everyone was a bastard, and learning this stuff and reading those authors I recommended (Nap. Hill being first and foremost) really gave me a life worth living, and my material success and health increased as well, so theory’s one thing but I can’t argue with results! 
Same here. Hated life, hated normal people, always in pain and debt. Ugh. My sister’s naturopath prescribed this one for her:
[url=http://www.pdfofbooks.com/2012/04/you-can-heal-your-life-louise-hay.html?m=1]http://www.pdfofbooks.com/2012/04/you-can-heal-your-life-louise-hay.html?m=1[/url]
Nice simple section on prosperity. Its done crazy amazing things for her. Gonna read Lady Eva’s link after wrapping up morals & dogma. Thanks!
[quote=“Judge Dredd, post:11, topic:4186”]And B) Is there even a remote possibility that I could legit end up losing my soul?
Spooky shit.[/quote]
Actually there is several ways another being can gain subjugation of your higher self. Now most beings may not want your soul, but some , like me may have uses for them. Of course there are ways to simply take it without asking permission, but that wouldn’t apply to your case.
But think about it, if you rule a persons higher self, you gain control both of what that person does spiritually and also indirectly what they do physically. Of course in the physical plane you can still try to act against your higher self, but its like trying to swim up current in a river, it doesn’t work well. So if you think about it, there actually are alot of things one can use it for, that is if you are interested in influencing the world like I am.
[quote=“defectron, post:34, topic:4186”][quote=“Judge Dredd, post:11, topic:4186”]And B) Is there even a remote possibility that I could legit end up losing my soul?
Spooky shit.[/quote]
Actually there is several ways another being can gain subjugation of your higher self. Now most beings may not want your soul, but some , like me may have uses for them. Of course there are ways to simply take it without asking permission, but that wouldn’t apply to your case.
But think about it, if you rule a persons higher self, you gain control both of what that person does spiritually and also indirectly what they do physically. Of course in the physical plane you can still try to act against your higher self, but its like trying to swim up current in a river, it doesn’t work well. So if you think about it, there actually are alot of things one can use it for, that is if you are interested in influencing the world like I am.[/quote]
Extremely confusing, even if these subjects have been talked through in this forum so many times.
There just has to be so many views on these matters…
[quote=“Black Flame, post:35, topic:4186”][quote=“defectron, post:34, topic:4186”][quote=“Judge Dredd, post:11, topic:4186”]And B) Is there even a remote possibility that I could legit end up losing my soul?
Spooky shit.[/quote]
Actually there is several ways another being can gain subjugation of your higher self. Now most beings may not want your soul, but some , like me may have uses for them. Of course there are ways to simply take it without asking permission, but that wouldn’t apply to your case.
But think about it, if you rule a persons higher self, you gain control both of what that person does spiritually and also indirectly what they do physically. Of course in the physical plane you can still try to act against your higher self, but its like trying to swim up current in a river, it doesn’t work well. So if you think about it, there actually are alot of things one can use it for, that is if you are interested in influencing the world like I am.[/quote]
Extremely confusing, even if these subjects have been talked through in this forum so many times.
There just has to be so many views on these matters…[/quote]
OK.I have some many questions and zero anserws…that’s the way it is.
I was only once able to manipulate the casinos’s forces to won a jackpot(3days after the ritual-BETHOR,CLAUNCEK,ANAKIM) I got it…after that not only that my magick faild,but I’ve also lost every cent I got and also a 100$+,
SO…the f…big question would me why the hack my magick has worked only that timewhen I have preformed the ritual 2.more times after the sucessfull ritual?
I am pretty damn sure that those forces can be manipulated…currently I am researching how any idea?demon entity?oppinion?
[quote=“Black Flame, post:31, topic:4186”]^ i was thinking the same as Eva here, yet i still do understand that why Koby’s mind can wonder on this… Only solution i can think of is he cursing he’s friend to lose all the money for him although i’m not sure do i vote for doing so… Actually i’m not voting anything in this post i’m totally neutral as long it doesn’t consider me, lol!
Except i don’t think these guys are really friends if Koby is willing to steal all he’s money.[/quote]
I think that I never wrote down that he is my friend, I just said that I know a guy that is rich.
[quote=“Lady Eva, post:30, topic:4186”]I think you’d have more success boosting your own abilities and getting into some successful line of work than by trying to take it off someone - and how can you say he doesn’t deserve his birth? I imagine many of us on here would plan to have a birth next time round that gives us more opportunities and less restrictions, and he’s got that - good for him.
It’s not actually a moral issue, it’s down to how you see money - if you believe you can in your own right become a successful person, then you wouldn’t need to take from anyone because the world will be eager to give you what you ask for. And maybe one day you’ll be rich, and have a child, and want to give that child everything you can, so that’s another reason not to resent inherited wealth - most of us want to provide it, in wisdom and love as much as money - for our kids.
Magick works, it’s real, not just for EA but for all of us, and it can harm or heal, but that’s another topic. And suddenly this conversation seems strangely familiar…[/quote]
I don’t understand why you are defending these rich people I don’t know if you are rich buy to my side let me tell you somenthing:
Millionaire hate people like you and me we are just their slave and they want to keep us like this, that’s why I was wondering what is all this power that we are talking about, ‘real magic,real result Ea koetting’ but in this planet everybody Powerful magician or not to survive need to ask money to other people instead to a demon, I really don’t see all this power just a lot of chatting, I’m sure that if there is a magician that 'Really has this powers we don’t know about him/her but when I see 'Click this button to become a God pay now’sorry but I start to have few doubts( Devil stone?)
I know what you mean Koby. But you want to be rich too, and i want to be rich too… You do realize that after that WE would be the rich people. So if you hate rich people, and you want to become a rich people - that might have some paradox in it, even if i do understand your feelings.
But if we become rich, our children will also be the “rich kids” i still want to become rich, and i wouldn’t hate myself.
Millionaires do not hate people like you and me, Koby. Why would they? They have their lives, we have ours. While there are, obviously, rich people who look down on the poor (for example the old rich white Conservative politicians), there are also uber rich people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet (who have much more money than the old rich white Conservatives) who have given away billions to help others. Did you know, in the old wealthy families, like the Rockefeller and the Dupont, it was expected of them to give to charity? They themselves considered it a duty.
I have to say, in my opinion, your posts in this thread seem filled with jealousy, envy and hate. You claim you want to be rich, but you can’t become something you hate, so if wealth is your goal, you can’t hate people simply for having more money than you. That is no better than hating someone for their skin colour, or the fact that their IQ is higher, and would place you right beside those millionaires that you claim hate people like you and me.
You can certainly take the wealth away from someone else and give it to yourself, but if your only reason for doing so is because they are rich and you are not, then you would become everything that you seem to blame rich people for being.
Sure, there are entitled, spoiled, rich kids who think they are better than others, but there are also entitled, spoiled, poor kids, who think because they are poor, everything should be given to them and they have the right to take from other people. And I have met plenty of them. Everybody wants everything for nothing. “I want to be rich, but why should I have to work for it? I’ll just take it from the rich people.” This seems to very a very common refrain these days. Few people seem to grasp just how the rich people became rich. For every one who became rich by stealing from others a la Bernie Madoff, there are more who built empires from the ground up, like Dupont, Gates, Jobs, and even the Facebook guy (can’t remember his name). One thing the whole Occupation movement got wrong, is the fact that it wasn’t the top 1% of wealthy people that were responsible for the crash, it was, in actuality, more like the bottom 10% of the wealthy that were responsible, the ones who are most concerned with getting more. The top 1% don’t worry that much about the money. They actually like what they do. Warren Buffet is the second richest man in the world, yet he still works a job at his company, even in his seventies, because he likes what he does. Same goes for Donald Trump. He has lost his billion dollar fortune multiple times, yet he always builds it back up, better than before, because he loves it.
For everything bad you can point out about rich people, I can point out the exactly the same thing about poor or middle class people. There are good people and bad people in every socio-economic strata.
Build your own empire, become wealthy, and then other people will be blaming you for their crappy lives.