I have been feeling for some time that prayers were a form of manifestation gone wrong by the teachings of mainstream religions. People beg to a God instead of feeling the feeling of the wish fulfilled (emotional transmutation, at the end).
I feel a bit blind on the side of not knowing who’s Allah, if the eggregore or the old God. I’m pretty sure my target prays with a lot of faith and intent.
Honestly, I’m a bit lost now. I had a comprehensive and non aggressive layered plan, but suddenly all went downhill and don’t know how to recover from it, or if I can at all.
I really liked it. Was thinking about using Arathron to stop his plans in motion, but I feel a bit overwhelmed by the sudden change on the situation (for bad)
Not necessarily. It’s not to say that “Manifestation” was not known to the ancient magicians, but they did not focus on it much at all, since it’s pretty weak magick. They rather focused on taking it to grand heights, for serious change.
But you can pray to a spirit without emotion, without faith, and they can grant your request. It happens a lot, especially in the Pagan communities. The problem with Christianity and Islam for example, is that their gods has their own powers and specialities. That is to say, they have their own interests, and it seems the Christian God is especially great to call for protection, and rain.
The Catholics and Orthodox Christians tried to get behind this by calling on Saints, and the Kabbalistic Jews by calling on different divine powers and Angels.
Don’t worry about it too much. But to get behind calling on an imposter who just so happens to have the same name, or something, make it part of your prayer to list some of the deeds and qualities of who you’re calling on. So, knowing the mythology can be helpful.
Here is the issue, one that we often lose sight of: Magick is not necessarily more powerful than getting things done through mundane means. It simply works in another way. So if someone is protected on that side, they are protected on that side, just as if they are protected physically, then they are protected physically. As magicians, we are quite privileged these days as most have lost sight of spirituality and magick in most countries.
Not sure what is Allah’s specialty, honestly. I’ll try to find out. But I get your point, Christians and Muslims pray to their Gods as if they are all powerful, when in reality probably they are like any other Gods: They have their specialties.
You mean I couldn’t do much if he’s protected? Mmm I’m not sure to which areas his protections extends. He feels many times that, as much as he works towards something, things get messed up and he can’t get what he wanted, it happens a lot to him. But he believes too that if he’s a good Muslim, good things will happen to him; and part of being a good Muslim has to do with what he’s trying to do now and I’m trying to stop him from doing. It really doesn’t matter to what deity you pray to, I think beliefs are powerful and he has them. What I mean is, as absurd as it can be for me to say X prayer X number of times per day, he believes that works and he does pray them, so I think that has power.
I don’t want to throw everything and the kitchen sink to him, but I don’t want either to give up.
I felt the same thing. But I don’t know who is that. I feel procrastinated sometimes and always have a thought of someone stopping me to do my work.
So can COZHEIR help me? The person is unknown to me.
As I opened this thread, just wanted to update as apparently you feel you’re in a similar situation: I just gave myself some days to stabilize myself, instead of being obsessed with how my magick was or was not working. Creating a nice routine in real life is not a bad idea. Then I came back with less obsessive thoughts. I don’t feel that blockage anymore, and in fact the magick that I threw at the target some time ago is showing up now. All positive results on my life too.