hahaha,
somehow it sounds like saying gasoline is fire,
that doesn’t burn, never burned, but could potentially burn.
Sorry,
you’re right.
In a sense.
I think form isn’t inherrent to existance,
it’s being caused by intelligence.
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Yeah Lucid Dreaming is heavily connected. But it’s about utilizing the dreamtime; a byproduct of The Dreaming. Even as we are awake we are “dreaming”. We hallucinate reality in our minds based on signals that get interpreted inward, never outward. That’s how dreamtime matrices and energy fields get manifested, building the collective consciousness of all life. The Dreaming itself is the source of this type of interpretation, the ability to “hallucinate reality”.
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oh, in evokation you do actively project outwards.
You also do it instinctively when falling,
shortly before you hit the ground,
because it’s a mental blockage coming up as you drop into fight or flight mode.
in that moment,
your subconscious completely overrides your consciousness,
and jumps out.
yes, i understand,
but the goal of such hallucination still sounds to me,
like it was limited to an observer view,
which doesn’t allow,
for example swapping bodies and traveling outside of comfort zone.
Sorry,
i don’t know why i still argue here,
i already accepted your viewpoint and i like it.
See, a hallucination is something that is expressed from your mind,
into reality.
if expressed well enough,
others may believe in it aswell,
filling in reality there where otherwise just mere illusion may collapse.
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Jumps out or takes control? If I fall and I realize I am falling, it’s because my biological gyroscope realizes the movement and the imbalance. The subconscious/instinct then takes over because it’s faster. Subconscious is the consciousness giving up control over certain things so it can run on autopilot. The subconscious can be programmed and reprogrammed consciously because of this. I wouldn’t say it gets projected outward in the falling scenario but rather takes over.
In regards to evocation, that’s a good counterpoint. But I think its functionally more like a “cosmic mirror” as I like to call it. You project your subconscious and or consciousness outward as a fragmentation. It allows for a separation from the same source, so depending on where one draws the line it could be considered an outward experience rather than inward.
Yang Yin Yin Yang
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This. Props to ya. Dreamtime magick is all about this. Its creating and using things that aren’t “real” but become “solid” enough to say “I may not be real but you’re gonna have to acknowledge my power and existence.”
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Yeah, it kinda is like that lol.
Void is a contradiction, it’s the same fundamental force as Creation, but the inversion. It’s like a coin, 2 sides, but still the same metal disk.
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yes, true.
the potential is still there,
wether formed or not.
for reference.
the Room Zero,
the inside of the Tetagrammaton.
Quote: “Beside my sincerest Efforts”.
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I made an oopsie. 
What I meant was :
“First of all - the Abyss that is part of the Qliphoth is NOT to be confused with the Void. We should really try and not say the Abyss when talking about the Void.”
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The way I see it, it’s another fad. Another trendy hallucination, as mentioned by others, that has impressed itself upon the mind and created a pretty powerful well of “power” for magicians to tap into. But no-less, it’s still fueled by … eh something like a thought form.
A real powerful source is something like an oil field. THAT’S what you want to tap into. But very few magicians even have access to that form of pathworking, know its name, and can even begin to tap into that energy source itself. I think this is what people think they’re tapping into when they say “the void”, lol.
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regarding your statement:
QUOTE:
Cosmic voids are vast spaces between filaments (the largest-scale structures in the universe), which contain very few or no galaxies. Voids typically have a diameter of 10 to 100 megaparsecs; particularly large voids, defined by the absence of rich superclusters, are sometimes called supervoids . They have less than one tenth of the average density of matter abundance that is considered typical for the observable universe. They were first discovered in 1978 in a pioneering study by Stephen Gregory and Laird A. Thompson at the Kitt Peak National Observatory.[1]
Voids are believed to have been formed by baryon acoustic oscillations in the Big Bang, collapses of mass followed by implosions of the compressed baryonic matter. Starting from initially small anisotropies from quantum fluctuations in the early universe, the anisotropies grew larger in scale over time. Regions of higher density collapsed more rapidly under gravity, eventually resulting in the large-scale, foam-like structure or “cosmic web” of voids and galaxy filaments seen today. Voids located in high-density environments are smaller than voids situated in low-density spaces of the universe.[2]
Voids appear to correlate with the observed temperature of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) because of the Sachs–Wolfe effect. Colder regions correlate with voids and hotter regions correlate with filaments because of gravitational redshifting. As the Sachs–Wolfe effect is only significant if the universe is dominated by radiation or dark energy, the existence of voids is significant in providing physical evidence for dark energy.[3][4]
End of Qoute.
https://luxsaturni.com/planetary-magic/saturn/symbolism-in-saturn
https://luciferianblog.com/2016/01/14/saturnian-energies/
https://www.healingstars.com/articles/saturn-lord-of-karma/
QUOTE:
Discipline
Saturn tests us and will push us to our limits. It rules over time -the Greek god’s name Cronus means time- and is called the lord of Karma. Saturn’s lessons are discipline, practise and commitment. It has the power to reward like no other planet. Because we work and practise sustained effort, there is a sense of real satisfaction. Mars is at home in Saturn’s sign of Capricorn. This is evident through weight training- as we do resistance training and lift heavy weights our muscles get stronger.
It is a spiritual energy that requires us to go within, to meditate, to slow down, listen and witness. Its here to help us understand that life’s lessons are not meant as punishment, but as learning.
Saturn is said to be the esoteric ruler of this planet- the joke is that we’re the stay after school planet! So what’s your attitude to lessons?
Are you willing to learn? This means connecting with your inner teacher and guide, becoming a Master of your body, emotions and your mind, so you can become strong and at peace.
However it isn’t that easy for most of us! The ego -that part of us that resists discipline and rebels- keeps us stuck.
We keep repeating the same daily lessons- just like Sisyphus in mythology or in the movie Groundhog Day- until one day we learn a different way, and are released.
*End of Qoute.
- So nope, regardless of your understanding of the Void,
it is a real current.
In fact, the most real you can work with.
Quote:
Baryogenesis[edit]
Main article: Baryogenesis
Experiments are consistent with the number of quarks in the universe being a constant and, to be more specific, the number of baryons being a constant (if antimatter is counted as negative);[ citation needed ] in technical language, the total baryon number appears to be conserved. Within the prevailing Standard Model of particle physics, the number of baryons may change in multiples of three due to the action of sphalerons, although this is rare and has not been observed under experiment. Some grand unified theories of particle physics also predict that a single proton can decay, changing the baryon number by one; however, this has not yet been observed under experiment. The excess of baryons over antibaryons in the present universe is thought to be due to non-conservation of baryon number in the very early universe, though this is not well understood.
- end of qoute.
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[quote=“Yberion, post:51, topic:120706”]
Cosmic voids are vast spaces between filaments
[/quote] …
??? The cosmic voids has absolutely nothing to do with the Void of the occult. The Void does not exist in the physical, it is its own separate dimension.
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you have no idea what you’re talking about. Y’Berion has been working with this for a VERY long time, and gave you massive sources just there.
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interesting.
i guess the alchemic elements don’t relate to real matter either? shruggs
No clue, maybe ask AO, Aurum Soph Ophalla about it. 
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lol huh? Well luckily you do not know what you are talking about. You are just like a normie claiming everything supernatural or demonic is just a hallucination. Why are you even here? Have you even tried connecting with the Void?
The Void is exremely powerful and there are definitively dangers in there that you should be very wary of.
You do not need any superadvanced ritual to connect either, just call “The Void” with the intention of reaching it and you will. That is how something called “Magick” works.
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- agreeing.
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Yes, sources saying that the Void is part of our physical reality. I dispute this the same way I dispute anyone saying the astral is part of physical reality. And if I missed anything there, then please write it in a few sentences. Shoving massive texts down someones throat is just rude.
Many of us have differing experiences and if Yberion feels that the Void exists in our physical reality, then that is his view. Mine is very different.
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The void is everything, how can it be seperate?
Your response says worlds about you, less about me, for starters. I stated this was my opinion and it really got under your skin… good to know I have that power over you, I suppose.
Also, luckily for you, I don’t take a stranger’s opinion online to be undeniable, irrefutable dogmatic fact. 
Our physical reality arose from the Void and it sees us as an abnormality and wants to devour us and destroy us. As I understand it Void creatures cannot enter out reality, but they can project into here. Beings from the Void are the most powerful ones, e.g. Choronzon, The Devil from Diabolous and from the Dark Mother: the four dark sisters, the Morrigan, Hecate and Kali. Some count Abaddon as a Void creature as well - the only one powerful enough to imprison Satan (and some count him as an angel).