What could be the purpose of having a higher self if this can be manipulated?
That’s extremely difficult, and rather ill-advised to attempt in most cases. Last time someone was on here bragging they had super HS-harming skillz, they ended up bleating on another forum about their misfortunes.
Most of the time HS’s are godlike in power, not through flashy force, bu through ability to get things done in line with their overall purpose for existing. They’re best left alone unless you have a strong purpose in mind, and then treated with respect and sensible caution if you do.
Of course I expect people will contradict this, but I’m just sharing my experience so far. 
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i’m curious how you think something like a higher self can be manipulated?
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There’s a thread about it, if I remember correctly. Since not everyone has one and many do the purpose more than likely varies per individual who do.
Well the higher self is meant to be a “larger” aspect of you, the same yet in a way separate. Just as any entity can be manipulated the “higher self” is not infallible and it shouldnt really be seen in such a black and white way.
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The purpose of the higher self, is to give purpose to being.
By right’s it’s immovable, though reachable.
Though I can agree with both @Lady_Eva and @anon48079295
While you ask the question, of how one thinks the higher self can be manipulated @UponEarth,
(From my experience) In reality, the higher self is the manipulator, though as Velenos suggests, a larger aspect of self and is not fallible, though is not in it’s entirety true, as each has their own and all humans are indeed fallible, the highest however is infallible and is in all, unless they have cut themselves of in some way.
As Lady_Eva put forth, the higher self, is ill advised to attempt to manipulate, extremely difficult though not impossible and has a backlash effect, in brutal honesty, severely the moment it’s attempted when it’s not in line with what is to be true purpose, must be treated with respect and extremely difficult to equilibrate to/with in consistency, basically equating to “enlightenment” when successful, though the fall from “enlightenment” is a long one the moment it’s stepped out of line.
LIkewise the higher self is based on the experiences of ancestry and past lives, as is the lower self, and the wisdom thereof. It’s a record keeper of the spirit/soul of the individual, and creates it’s growth along with the lower self, some spirits are young, some are old, it’s the basis of individual wisdom.
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so from what i gather from the first post and what others are saying, some here are of the opinion that their individual self is being subjugated by their higher self? i dont agree with this, but it is a curious way of thinking. anyone know the name of the original thread on this so i can read plz.
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I wouldn’t suggest so much subjugation as you put it, but rather guiding as the accumulation of the wisdom of the individual, while the keeper of the purpose of ones individual being, and the choices we make in between are our own. For free will, is ours, as it is of our higher and lower, and all things for that matter.
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i think people are disturbed by the idea of their individuality being erased and being unified with the whole, instead they try to personify their individuality and integrate it into their magickal practices. but from my experience their is no “self” when you enter the ecstatic experience, it’s through spirit (higher-self) that you manifest within and work through.
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I never had a higher self, so I can’t speak on how it feels to have one, but I have seen one or two on the forum with a desire to disconnect themselves from theirs which I see no issue with, but at the same time I as an outside looking in find the concept interesting but weird at the same time. It’s something I can’t wholly relate to but something I’ve seen from others through divination.
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The individual, cannot so be erased, though being unified with the whole in itself is walking the path of the higher self and thus the oneness with the whole self.
Individuality and being is essentially the personification of the self regardless and the self is integrated into the magickal practices also, as from the physical self does it become expressed.
It is a form of understanding that there is no “self”, it’s a teaching, but you don’t sit and then starve yourself in the ecstatic experience nor do you stop breathing, am I correct?
I would disagree with you Velenos that you haven’t a higher self, and truly to disconnect from ones higher self is a path working experience on its own, from my experience, though I accept your point of view, as an outside looking in which makes total sense to me.
Though if there is an outside looking in, then it too must have form or expression on a larger scale also.
I’d suggest that you cannot relate to it, as you are choosing to believe that you have no higher self.
It is rather difficult to relate to something you don’t believe is there, true?
For example, if you had lived 40 years in the desert and saw/knew only sand, you wouldn’t believe in the grasses growing where it was green.
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That’s fine if you disagree lol, that would mean you think you know me more than I know myself which is impossible, but yes I don’t have one.
However, all the same the concept is a nice one, while I find it weird everyone easily adopts the concept into their paths sometimes blindly it tends to help them so why not.
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i was speaking from my observed opinion of how people that personify their individuality see unity, but from my experience of being “absorbed into the whole” you do lose what you define as “self” as in your likes and dislikes, and the history of what makes up your identity, but you’re still an awareness thats both seperate and part of the whole at the same time.
while in the ecstatic experience of journey and lucid dreaming, you cannot rationalize the experience that only takes you out of. you have to be more instinctive and follow your intuition to move further within and explore the depths. in other words you have to “be” your higherself, or what i personally call being your spirit.
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On the contrary, I don’t think I know you better than you.
Just a suggestion, and a disagreement.
Again that’s fine lol, I’m sure I do, but the topic isn’t about me and what I know of myself so it’s fine lol.
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I would suggest that you don’t so much lose what you define as “self”, though it does shift and can easily return. Though I can agree with and understand the awareness of perspective.
And yes true, attempting to rationalize the experience does take away from it while journeying etc, though it is just that, meant to be experienced,
To be your spirit, is to be what you were intend as a whole, from my experience.
Bring purpose and experience together as one. The spiritual and the primal.
I have seen many pracitiones offering rituals and some of them say things like “breaking your enemy from their higher self” ans so on
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knowing how to shift your perspective from one point to another is in it of itself a very powerful form of magick, i imagine the end result of people who personify their individuality would still be the same. i can see how ritual magick can be practiced while holding that view point, but anything beyond that at least from my point of view would be quite difficult.
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but can be done, right?
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i don’t know. i welcome anyone that does it from that point of experience to explain their methodology.
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