i wonder this
@MagickVigilante
can you explain
i wonder this
@MagickVigilante
can you explain
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Can you do it here? This seems interesting although there have been a million threads on this and I’ve seen your responses on several of those.
I will tell you what I know, to me, Lucifer is the emperor of the Infernal empire, a dark angel.
Meanwhile Satan is the darkness in the light of creation.
I am unsure of Satan’s relationship to the Infernal empire though, I just know he doesn’t like Lucifer
I am also unsure what kind of race of being is Satan
That’s all I was shown (for now i think), Satan is the darkness in the light of creation, I assume it means Satan is the darkness in the light that pervades all creation, meaning the light that encompasses all created planes and dimensions and worlds
here you go
Thank you, much appreciated.
Lucifer is a fallen angel. Satan is Ahriman in Zoroastrianism. Satan led to Lucifer’s fall/liberation.
Zen
True, he sees Lucifer as arrogant.
Zen
i am not sure
I don’t think so. However it’s all UPG regardless of what we think.
I’m inclined to view lucifer as the initiator of our species evolution and mankind’s benefactor. I also think Ahriman is more likely Samael then Satan.
I think sometime after or around the same time as Lucifer jump started humanity a lot of sentient non physical beings took to exploring the universe and some or all of the wayfaring beings (let’s call them angels) ventured beyond the edge of the universe to what’s outside of it and whatever they found changed them into what they are now.
I think whatever they met up with darkened the light ones and lightened the darker angels and brought chaos to the orderly ones and order to the chaotic ones. Then they came back into the universe.
Totally UPG but I don’t think Satan caused the fall I think whatever they all encountered exploring did, and it did it to all them including Satan.
In any case my speculations and yours are UPG.
Add: and if he exists the supposed god was one of those explorers and he got inverted too into being a dictatorial Yahoo. But again UPG
Lucifer is the Emperor of demonkind. Satan is more of a title, but some here have said that they met an entity literally named Satan (thought form perhaps?).
The simplest solution is to call them both forward. I have found that Satan (Ahriman), Lucifer, Beelzebub, Samael are all different entities. Baphomet will be the easiest one to help you sort it all out.
Zen
not a thoughtform, i can confirm he even has a sigil and enn
In Lucifer and Hidden Demons book by Theodore Rose he wrote that the more correct name for this spirit is Shahtan(Shah_tan) and he uses this demon for doing the pathworking in book and didn’t use Satan name to prevent contacting with a thoughtform of abrahamic religion.
And I don’t know these people contacted with which one!
Shaitan is also (iirc) the name/reference to a singular entity from a race of demons in Islamic belief; I’blis is, I think, the Islamic version of Satan/Lucifer (incorrectly conflated imo) and one of the Shayatin. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
As to the main query, you’ll have varying answers from different people. In my humble experience Satan is a mask, or rather a title or mantle, that can be assumed by a handful of entities. Lucifer may be one, although I don’t commonly hear “Satan” and think “Lucifer”. My dealings with “Satan” have been with Sammael/Samael. But I think there are a number of other beings who could wear this mask, like Azazel, Belial, Bael/Ba’al.
This I agree with based on UPG. Whereas I generally fail to see “Satan” as anything other than a mantle worn by other named entities, or a thoughtform developed by fanatically anti-JCI edgelords.
It’s a title too yes
It’s a title and a name. Like Ceasar for example. Satan like to be called Satanael in my experience. It’s one of his names : Satan, Satanael, Satanel, Satanail and many more.
I just call him Satan lol
i just got told they are not the same
Yea, I had that too for a while until I pushed it. The description of Ahriman is word for word that of Satan. The reason why was Apollyon was hanging around and also going by Satan.
He will give some odd answers about aspects and what not. Saying Ahriman is an aspect of Satan but then saying Satan is an aspect of Ahriman.
Zen