Wait so...what's the difference between Evoking & Invok?

Pretty much, yep.

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I never agreed with the ability to force an entity to appear. You can constantly call and nag them but they’ll always have free will to show up or not.

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@Dusk gotcha thanks for the clarification!

Heh. Whether you agree with the practice or not, is doable, can confirm. There are hazards obviously ; almost no one likes being stuffed in a cage and bossed around. But just about anyone can be, too.

I mean I can view that the being simply comes on its own accord and the magician thinks they forced it. However, from there they can bind it if they’re skilled enough. Although, I’ve met many magicians who think they can bind any and every entity easily.

There are people on this forum who say that it is a law that spirits must come when an
incarnated being calls them.
I don’t believe it either


Ain’t nothing easy about it. There are historical accounts of renaissance magicians and their assistants staying awake in the protection circle blasting rod in hand for three days straight in order to get a binding done. But again, they did get it done.

Yeah to me that’s just a bunch of magicians tryharding with thoughtforms. There’s no universal law that states such tbh.

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Incarnation’s got nothing to do with it. Binding is acheivable via the hermetic principle of mentalism coupled with the magician’s strength of will, same as any other magic.

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Can you bind anything?

Anything you know the true name of and can out-will, you can bind.

Doesn’t mean you SHOULD just bind anything, obviously. Spirits like people aren’t tremendous fans of being told what to do all the time and they’ll very often get payback if and when they can.


Can I bind my own consciousness? I want to loosen my binding from this body for easier astral projection.

Evocation is calling a spirit forth into your perceptive objective awareness for communication. Invocation is becoming aware of the part of yourself that the spirit is connected to. Given that we ate talking about aspects of the universe or gods and not disembodied entities such as ghosts or nature spirits.


Or bind my consciousness to my astral body

This strikes me as a difficult proposition given that your self possesses a will precisely equal to your own… Unless you enlist the help and will of another entity(s) as goetic magicians and shamans do.

I have tried, but I cannot even hear them. I have used their sigils to evoke them

And I want to leave my body as soon as possible.

I recommend Josephine McCarthy’s Qvareia. It’s a solid, steady, and free series of courses for training and improving a number of magical facultiesin oneself, including AP.



@Dusk I never heard of that course be4! I’ll check that out too! Thanks.