Exactly! It’s just different paths. Vampirism is the path my intuition is guiding me to, as well as the path where I had success. Every path is different, vampirism is not for everyone, just as your path is not for everyone. However the soul alchemy and initiations varies from path to path. I think you misunderstood what I said about vampirism. I do NOT need to feed on anything, nor do other vampires, in order to generate their own energy. That is what parasites who think they are vampires do.
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That is because I am focused on purely the dark for my spiritual path.
Gotta disagree with the “strains” approach you are taking. Sorcerers who are mastering the craft of vampyrism don’t label themselves with strains. A Vampyres uses whatever it is at their disposal to expand their power and energy. And limiting the vampyre to strains which have strengths and weaknesses is pretty short-sighted. We are everything and apart of everything. We are anything and can shapeshift into any energetic form we need at that specific time so in terms of “strains” we can become any strain at any given time . This is the goal.
Well, there are different types of vampires for example, the Greek Vrykolakas and the Babylonian vampires are cousins, I think that’s what he means by strain
I know. That is exactly correct. But I am explaining things in a very basic way for beginners to understand.
i was talking about @Alahimavatara sry for the confusion
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if i wanted to do this, and i was asking a demon, would they need an offering? also, do vampires feed?
I wouldn’t rely on an outside spirit. Learn to transmute and evolve your own energy as other beings doing it will just use it as a means to control you. It is possible to transmute your own soul if you start slow and progress by learning and with small changes to build up the power and skill for larger evolution.
azazel is probably already doing that to me tho, he chose me
Just because it chose you doesn’t mean you have to cooperate with such an entity. Train and realize your own power and make it understand just how the arrangement will work for your benefit and desire. I don’t really recommend dealing with any spirit entities until you have attained sufficient self control, awareness, and will to resist their influence and banish or dissolve them if needed.
in an argument to this, i have never struggled to banish an entity, even when i first started with more peaceful ones, second, entities have attempted to influence me, they have not succeeded, and i don’t understand the self control part unless you mean not murdering everyone, in which case i can do that
I mean control over your emotions and energy. Not just restraint but being able to turn one emotion to another, control your senses, your energy, the train of thoughts and recognize your thoughts from ambient thoughts and implanted thoughts. Ultimately we don’t need spirits they are less than our souls and while they might possess greater power or knowledge you could argue a machine or computer possesses more strength or stored information than the average person but it doesn’t make them more than the person. That is why we can command them with proper knowledge and training and what separates them from true spiritual beings with souls that simply don’t inhabit a body of three dimensional matter.
and that is where my depression (i think) comes in. My mind, for my conscious self at least is always empty unless i speak into it, or something else does, and it is for me easy to tell when something talks into my mind
If your meaning is that you lack mental chatter, I’d say that’s a nifty advantage to have…
I get what you are saying and I agree, except @Peregrine would not be relying on azazel. That’s not what working with demons is like. The end goal of working with demons is to learn and gain their power while building a strong connection with them to the point where you are an embodiment of that demon, but in your own rite. And you can do this with multiple spirits/demons, as is the nature of spiritual evolution. This is another method of self deification.
that is exactly what i mean, and it is quite an advantage
i have tried it and it did work. the first effect i noticed was that i was dizzy, which on it’s own is not enough proof. the second thing was that i was MUCH stronger.
I hope you manage to take this you’re reading not as an attack, but will choose to instead stop… and find the right reasons to begin seeing this now as a fair yet critical response offered in an open forum to provoke thought. Because it’s true. That aside, a lot of the above you’d written seemed like only so many idle armchair musings; referring to your mention of the “strains” of vampirism when you really just meant preferences, the needless and elitist belief in special vampiric souls in relation to why we have those specific preferences, or that souls can even be destroyed when you seemingly had meant something more like the spirit, or how you seemingly choose to subscribe to the belief that becoming a vampire is something to be potentially achieved by using magick to just magic yourself into an adept among other things in the same vein. I have to agree to strongly disagree practically from the start where I’d seen you mention by implication that humans definitely have souls at all- let alone openly claiming albeit indirectly to have a special soul, and wanting to think for some reason that this special soul somehow entitles you to claim being more authentic of a vampire than the many other people out there who can do the exact same things as you, and perhaps much better by now. So, what does it mean to have a vampire soul in context? Anything concrete and objective? I’m waiting. To meanwhile reply with a question of my own: Who said a vampire soul objectively exists before you defined one as such, self-identified therewith, and moreover decided to give it your own (incidentally flattering) meaning in relation? The only thing that kind of feel-good, self-important elitist belief will make you more of than other practicing vampires would be, “more self-deluded”. You have literally no objective reason to choose to believe this about yourself or others by comparison. Meanwhile, to be fair, one can actually verify whether their sorcerous or vampiric abilities are real on the other hand. But there is no way to quantify a difference between one hypothetical soul to another at all; if any soul exists how we may think they should, or otherwise.
That aside, let’s clear the air and get at least one thing straight, if we clear up nothing else about the subject today: esoteric vampirism is indeed all about willed parasitism, and parasitism is a naturally existing phenomenon despite any attached social stigma which makes it unfavorable to be identified with in that light. So are energy exchange and transformation both valid parts of nature in which we continually partake. That said, vampirism is not merely some energetic condition thrust upon us by the cold hand of fate- some unfortunate missing or deformed chakra with which we’ve been stricken since birth- of which we are now broken victims left shuffling through an unkind and judgmental world set out to defame us as monsters while we merely try to survive, and yada yada ya; much as I keep hearing in one form or another. To raise oneself above another is arguably predatory behavior at its core. Vampirism is further not something to be fetishized through a childish obsession with fangs, or ridiculous and oftentimes ironic “lord” and “lady” titles, and adopting other tired, exoteric vampirism tropes; never something to be endlessly romanticized for sake of embracing elitist beliefs in terms of adopting the title of “vampire” in the case of assumed ownership of a special soul, while the actual, practical value of vampirism to your average sorcerer seems to escape so many.
In my own experience after like twenty plus years at it now: I had to strongly disagree again when I say that vampirism seen in terms of its relevantly defining skillsets, the attitudes, practices, behaviors and the beliefs enabling the practice of vampirism itself, vampire magick in terms of stuff like employing vampiric servitors or feeding remotely via black mirror, and of practicing sorcery in general; these apparently separate things are definitely all similar enough “cars” moving along the very same “track” as to appear identical from certain angles, being pulled behind the very same locomotive engine called applied intent, suspension of disbelief and trance. Trust that your allegedly special soul has nothing to do with it, and while you may remain as such, I am yet to be convinced you’re somehow more of a vampire than myself or anyone else just because of applying some wholly subjective, self-fabricated unit of measure when contextual wisdom and insight as much as ability should be the determining focus. But hey, you do you.
In my own closing, in the end, if the above distillation you’d written out is still truly seen as an accurate record of your gnosis over any considerable length of time spent focused upon incorporating vampirism into your life, then with all due respect, I would have to suggest your time has not been well spent in this area. To be straight forward, I’m writing this counterpoint because after years of watching it happen, flinging around stuff like the above is why almost no serious occultists, let alone almost anybody else in my own entire order of adepts, can take the practice of vampirism seriously despite my best intended urgings to reconsider. And that’s too bad. Vampirism to myself and those I respect will always be something much more than a love of goth aesthetic and other exoteric trappings, or similarly misguided claims to a proverbial esoteric cool kid’s table; the likes of which most outgrew a need to be part of after having graduated elementary school.
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Hmm, some of you are coming down hard on the OP, but I kinda resonate with what he/she is saying. From what I’ve gleaned about vampirism, the Hollywood kind of vampires are in fact parasites given that they HAVE to survive on human blood. But spiritual or psychic vampirism seems to me to be a conscious process of doing what humans do already – take in energy from other people and their environment. And also impress their own energy signature onto others and their environment. I mean, we’re already “vampires” in the sense that we consume and transform energy for our own benefit.
I don’t know about that vampire soul stuff, but I can imagine that some people are naturally more adept at psychic vampirism than others, just like any other skill. And the idea that some people have greater energy reserves than others is obvious.
From my perspective, a person or being who can obtain energy from anything and alchemize it for themselves or, better yet, generate their own energy from within are extremely powerful. In that sense, I agree with what @Alahimavatara was saying; I’m just not sure if gods/suns are the only beings who can generate their own energy or if “vampires” can do so well - maybe like feeding on their own energy or something akin to the ouroboros.
From my understanding, energy in the universe is limitless, it comes from the universal toroidal field, it’s also called 0 point energy. It’s a place beyond time so it knows no lack or limitation.
Vampires are essentially beings that chose to split off from that eternal self sustaining self, and chose the inversion toroidal field which creates a vampire effect on the consciousness, you become a black hole just as stars collapse on themselves, they suck light and become their own universe, which is the concept of vampiric Luciferianism. It’s not organic, the organic blueprint is the thousand petaled lotus, that’s the 0 point. For vampires it’s inverted but, they still need the same energy to survive, the drinking of human blood and sacrifice is for the opening of the pranic channels, souls don’t need any of that, because souls are already the 144.000 star clusters, the 72 legions of the shem and goetia.
That’s why they need a tyrant god like Yahweh to bind them for power, that’s also why the temple of Solomon also accepted animal sacrifices. And from what I’ve found the christic magicians are 100000 times more powerful, because they have an actual relationship with the godspark as well as the powers of the gods themselves, I don’t know a single initiate of the gods that hasn’t been able to defeat a vampire. Horus always wins, for it to be otherwise would self defeat or self betrayal, vampires need other sources to be able to cast magick. Souls project their magick directly from consciousness.
Anything that has to mutilate a life form for manifestation compared to a practitioner with divine mental power cannot be more powerful. It’s just common sense
But I guess not everyone thinks that way
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