When I try to do candle magick to influence another person’s thoughts or feelings, the effects seem to bounce back onto me. This doesn’t happen if I use another kind of magick, such as a ritual or evocation.
As an example: Say I want a boss to favor me for a promotion. Or I want to turn an enemy into a friend. In that case, I want to sweeten the target to me.
I do EA’s method of candle magick that Lady Eva helpfully posted, but with the intention of sweetening the target to me, rather than incite them into love/lust. First I meditate and get into TGS. While staring at the candle flame, I muster the emotions that I want the target to feel for me. I visualize the target doing what I want them to do. Then I push it all through the candle flame. I do this very late night while the target is likely asleep. Then I finish the spell, put it out of my mind, and go to sleep myself.
By the time I wake up, I’m the one feeling all those things that I wanted the target to feel. Meanwhile, I can’t confirm if the target was affected.
I’ve tried to modify the method in order to make the direction of the spell more specific. I’ve included an offering of water for the spirits who will help me. I’ve included a physical link from the target. I’ve included crystals to enhance the work. Technically, I’ve included all four elements - water, mineral, air, fire - at some point, short of turning it into a full blown ritual. I thought this might prevent the bounceback. It still happens.
So what’s going on here? Can you spot the problem?
EA has already conveniently posted a more direct mind control spell,that isn’t aimed just at love magic.I’ve tried EA’s love spell,and I know not what happened,or if I’m just incapable of letting go,but the spell backfired,methinks.The fact that a new crush had developed probably had something to do with it,check out my Pact with Paimon thread for more information.
Is a personal favorite one.I’ve done it dozens of times,with half a dozen different methods(like using water in the place of fire),and I’ve come to the point where the candle itself is just there for novelty and I can cast this spell easily,with my mind.
But there are kinks to be worked out.For starters,I’m not sure of your specific situation,however,I’d advise a couple of things:
1.Visualize more.Believe it or not,I used to do super-brief visualizations with little emotions,but as my goals grow more ambitious,I spend more time visualizing the result.Even if your attention is dwindling,simply keep that emotion there,keep it,see it,feel it,happening,right there and then.Stay with it,until you can’t bear it anymore,you feel the need to go to sleep,or you’re downright bored.
2.Don’t go to bed immediately after the whole thing,as that may be the cause.Instead,get your mind off of it by reading a book,making a sandwich,singing the national anthem,whatever.And once the operation is obviously behind you go to sleep.
3.If the emotions come,simply meditate on the whole concept,until you reach non-attachment and serenity.
4.Define your outcome,much more clearly.Getting someone to ‘‘sweeten’’ isn’t good enough,you have to be more precise.You want this enemy to consider changing their mind on how they perceive you,make them think you’re not an arrogant fool,you want them acting less bitter,talking to you more,etc. Define the EXACT outcome.Money spells are almost NEVER about money,unless you like the way coins look or something,so consider exactly what you want and realize it may need a chain of things to happen in order to be achieved.Define that chain,as much as possible,and don’t be vague.
Does that suit you?
I know I sound like a complete hypocrite,because I’ve just openly admitted to having a love spell fail on me,and me doing almost nothing about it(because I am so incredibly confused about who I REALLY want!!!),while coming here and telling you about this,but I happen to know a thing or two about mind control.
I think you may have answered your own question.
You said you start by feeling the emotions you want your target to feel.Then you end up feeling the emotions you want them to feel.
It sounds almost like you’re casting the spell upon yourself.
Imagine THEM feeling those emotions.Also,as Arcane stated,find a balance between visualization and using your intent.
When performing candle majick what I like to do is light the candle,close my eyes and focus on my breath until I’m completely relaxed (this will help you let go of the emotions associated with your desire because being mentally relaxed will relieve the stress of the situation).Then I open my eyes and gaze into the flame and try to visualize my target doing or saying what I want them to do.Whether it be them saying a sentence that signifies what you want them to do and concentrate on this for as long as you can until your mind starts to drift off to other mental chatter.Some will take this as being mentally distracted but if you were able to focus on your intent the whole time,your mind beginning to wander is actually a sign that your desire is spent.
Then speak your intention.Speak your targets name and tell them they are subject to your will and tell them what they are going to do.End it with something sweet like “So it is done”
Get up,walk away and let the candle burn all the way down.Dont think about it.Remember that once you say “It is done” then it truly is done.The candle will do the rest of the work by releasing all the energy and intent you pushed into it as it burns away.
I posted a spell I use for mind control in the Black Majick section that involves King Paimon.Use the search function or look through my posts to find it if you wish.The spell hasn’t failed me yet.I got someone to bend to my will and do exactly what I wanted in as short as 5 hours using that spell
You could try using a Universal Circle to work within, I’m told (UPG) this blocks the probablistic “natural” forces and allows your will to have an amplified effect.
Is a personal favorite one.I’ve done it dozens of times,with half a dozen different methods(like using water in the place of fire),and I’ve come to the point where the candle itself is just there for novelty and I can cast this spell easily,with my mind.[/quote]
Thanks for this. I didn’t know about this video.
I tried again and increased the amount of visualization until I couldn’t anymore. Let’s see what happens.
Good idea. I’ve tried this out now. The problem is that when my target is likely asleep is when I’m usually asleep as well. I like to work then, when targets tend to be more receptive to spells. This time I tried it hours in advance. The target is most likely wide awake, (I did the spell barely past dinnertime for my town) but at least now I have hours left to distract myself before going to bed.
The emotions certainly come. I practice replacing them with emotions I want to feel. However, since emotion is useful energy, I wonder if it would be useful to expend them in a candle spell whenever the emotions should hit me?
You’re blessed to have King Paimon’s patronage. I’m certain he’s taught you many things about mind control. And I’d love for you to tell me what you know about how to do it as well.
[quote=“Musta_Krackish, post:4, topic:6309”]I think you may have answered your own question.
You said you start by feeling the emotions you want your target to feel.Then you end up feeling the emotions you want them to feel.
It sounds almost like you’re casting the spell upon yourself.[/quote]
I should have been more specific. In the EA video, EA says something about mustering the feelings that you want the target to feel, because in order to get your target to feel something, you need to be able to feel it too. Granted, EA was talking about feeling love in order to power a love spell. But I figured the idea still applies - after all, how can I get a target to feel respect or fondness for me, if I can’t feel it for myself? So I got in tune with my self-respect and fondness, thought about how awesome I am, and pushed those feelings through the candle flame with the intention of making my target feel the same way about me, like in EA’s instructions. I pictured my target feeling these things. In the candle’s flame, I visualized them saying and doing what I wanted. I told them what they must do. And I told my spirit allies to go find the target and make them feel and do all this stuff.
Still, the culprit might be here. It is annoyingly pointless that I’m feeling stuff that I already feel about myself…
[quote=“Musta_Krackish, post:4, topic:6309”]When performing candle majick what I like to do is light the candle,close my eyes and focus on my breath until I’m completely relaxed (this will help you let go of the emotions associated with your desire because being mentally relaxed will relieve the stress of the situation).Then I open my eyes and gaze into the flame and try to visualize my target doing or saying what I want them to do.Whether it be them saying a sentence that signifies what you want them to do and concentrate on this for as long as you can until your mind starts to drift off to other mental chatter.Some will take this as being mentally distracted but if you were able to focus on your intent the whole time,your mind beginning to wander is actually a sign that your desire is spent.
Then speak your intention.Speak your targets name and tell them they are subject to your will and tell them what they are going to do.End it with something sweet like “So it is done”
Get up,walk away and let the candle burn all the way down.Dont think about it.Remember that once you say “It is done” then it truly is done.The candle will do the rest of the work by releasing all the energy and intent you pushed into it as it burns away.[/quote]
This does sound vaguely similar to what I’ve been doing. Ugh, candle magick is supposed to be one of the easiest to do. I’ll keep trying until I get this right.
Found it by looking through your posts. Golden! Thanks MK for pointing this out to me! That’s impressive that it works so quickly for you.
You and Arcane both suggest King Paimon for this sort of work. I think it’s time I work with King Paimon on this. Curious, what in your experience makes you come to King Paimon over other demons with mind control abilities?
Heh. What kind of ascension can I expect, if I can do all this other stuff, but I can’t do something simple like a candle spell? Anything worth doing is worth doing well, I say.
That might be the way to go for a while. Candle magick only for stuff that isn’t so urgent or important. Sigh… Honestly, I feel a little silly that I can’t master what is supposed to be so easy that beginners can do it.
Oops, I hadn’t been doing that with this candle spell. Well, next time. Good tip Lady E, thanks as always.
Candle magic is often considered “elementary” because it’s not especially complicated, and its applications are rather limited (the practise became the tradition of simply making a wish and blowing out the candles on your birthday cake, as most of us would probably already know).
However, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bother learning and mastering it, nor does it mean that it shouldn’t be used qith some regularity. Personally, I use it as a kind of pre-ritual for a week in advance of, say, a serious / important evocation that I’ve got planned. I won’t bore you with how I do it (unless you want to know, in which case, just ask:) but basic candle magic has a massive role to play in this respect, so don’t be too hard on yourself (or on candle magic!) just because you’re having a few issues.
I think I know what the problem is, in your case, however.
First up, we’ve acknowledged that candle magic isn’t exactly all that “powerful” as far as brute magical strength goes. You yourself have noted in your first post that you don’t experience the same difficulties, in the same tasks, when using other forms of magic. With this in mind, your application of candle magic needs to be different to the other forms of magic you’ve used.
Essentially, you can’t set the same goal or use the same procedure as with evocation etc (for example, changing how a person feels about you)… but you can alter the course of the currents in and around their life, just a little bit here, and a little bit there. Whereas “stronger” forms of magic may be able to dominate their will and make them think that you’re wonderful for whatever reason, that kind of blatant domination is beyond the scope of candle magic. On the other hand, you could use candle magic to draw the mto you when they have a personal problem, or to repel them slightly (but you must specify another target) when they’re upset and likely to take it out on you. In such a case, you’re not affecting how they feel or think, but smply re-reouting the outcome of those thoughts and feelings.
If you can re-route them enough using just candle magic, then the end result will be the same, or very similar to outright domination of their will. In your OP, the whole concept of “sweetening” a target in order to secure a promotion or to turn an enemy into a friend is actually pretty straightforward, conceptually speaking, using only candle magic. Firstly, though, you must abandon the idea of literally changing how they feel about you “just like that”. Rather, candle magic will be able to attract those situations to you (and in short order) which will provide you with the opportunity to please or impress the people in question, to the point of being promoted or gaining a friendship. This may not sound all that crash hot, but we are talking about candle magic exclusively, and all magic has its limitations. This is one limitation related to this kind of magic.
I hope this provides some novel food for thought:)
If I think up anything else, I’ll add it on later.
And thank you so much for the post you contributed to this thread. It really gives me a fresh perspective on the use of candle magick.
I would be interested to hear how you prefer to do it. Candle magick as a pre-ritual is a new idea to me. I’ll definitely try this before my next evocation and see if it’s made any changes. Thanks for this!
Thank you so much for the kind words, tiberius_james. I truly appreciate it.
With your words, I’m keen to find a proper place and context for candle magick in my practices.
[quote=“tiberius_james, post:9, topic:6309”]I think I know what the problem is, in your case, however.
First up, we’ve acknowledged that candle magic isn’t exactly all that “powerful” as far as brute magical strength goes. You yourself have noted in your first post that you don’t experience the same difficulties, in the same tasks, when using other forms of magic.[/quote]
Hmm. Agreed, and true.
[quote=“tiberius_james, post:9, topic:6309”]With this in mind, your application of candle magic needs to be different to the other forms of magic you’ve used.
Essentially, you can’t set the same goal or use the same procedure as with evocation etc (for example, changing how a person feels about you)… but you can alter the course of the currents in and around their life, just a little bit here, and a little bit there. Whereas “stronger” forms of magic may be able to dominate their will and make them think that you’re wonderful for whatever reason, that kind of blatant domination is beyond the scope of candle magic. On the other hand, you could use candle magic to draw the mto you when they have a personal problem, or to repel them slightly (but you must specify another target) when they’re upset and likely to take it out on you. In such a case, you’re not affecting how they feel or think, but smply re-reouting the outcome of those thoughts and feelings.
If you can re-route them enough using just candle magic, then the end result will be the same, or very similar to outright domination of their will. In your OP, the whole concept of “sweetening” a target in order to secure a promotion or to turn an enemy into a friend is actually pretty straightforward, conceptually speaking, using only candle magic. Firstly, though, you must abandon the idea of literally changing how they feel about you “just like that”. Rather, candle magic will be able to attract those situations to you (and in short order) which will provide you with the opportunity to please or impress the people in question, to the point of being promoted or gaining a friendship. This may not sound all that crash hot, but we are talking about candle magic exclusively, and all magic has its limitations. This is one limitation related to this kind of magic.[/quote]
Aha, so if I understand you correctly, candle magick isn’t for changing a person’s mind or emotions, but rather for setting up little events here and there where I can do that myself as a regular human being?
Most definitely. I’ve been rubbing my chin and saying, “Hmm… oh!” quite a bit while I read your post.
Please do! I’ll be keen to read anything else you might add.
I pray to spirits when Im doing a spell. I stare into candle light. Sometimes I pray to spirits who Ive never evoked. Ive prayed to Azazel for help. I burn inscents. I take a cleaning bath. Ground yourself afterwards. Do another spell for something else to help you forget. Thats what Ive been doing for sigils anyways. Calling upon the powers of darkness, magic, the stars, and my spirit guides, as well as angels seems to have beneficial effects.
I’m glad you found my advice useful. I usually don’t give advice unless I’m asked, but this whole thread is your asking for advice anyhow LOL. Again, glad to hear it’s welcomed.
Righteo, so… I use candle magic primarily as a means of deepening subjective synthesis. That’s a great name for it (although it’s known by a bunch more), so I’m just going to use that one and roll with it. There’s plenty of information here at BALG and also online all over the joint (just in case you happen to have not heard of it before). EA covers it in one of his course videos (specifically, in the evocation program, I think… But I may very well be wrong).
After picking out a spirit off the rack and researching as much as I can find about them, so as to deepen my familiarity with their particulars and establish a very basic energetic link between us (if only on the intellectual level), I would then prepare for the planned ritual. Naturally, I’m assuming here that the ritual is not an emergency situation, and that there’s plenty of time to plan and perform the operation.
The first step is to decide when the evocation will take place. It’s pretty straightforward for me, as I prefer the last planetary hour of a Saturday, for whatever planet I feel would be best suited to the spirit and the goal of the ritual. Then, on the Saturday one week before, I’ll make a copy of the sigil of the spirit just as I would for any spirit and any given evocation. This is the actual copy of the sigil that I will be using during the ritual, and this is actually a very important point, which I’ll explain in a moment.
Although I just said that I’d make the sigil one week in advance, I would like to note that although it would be ideal if it were made in precisely the same hour as the operation is to be conducted, precisely one week into the future, this isn’t at all necessary. If you prefer a longer period (say, nine days due to the correspondences with the number nine), or a shorter one due to time constraints, there is absolutely no reason to stick to precisely one week. See, I’m a Capricorn, and we’re a fastidious lot, so I just like the round-figure aspect of “one week”. And down to the hour, no less! I have not encountered any better or worse results by choosing another time frame, so don’t let my use of “one week” deter you, either way.
All that said, why is it so important that the copy of the sigil be the one actually used in the ritual? This is actually a really simple concept (he says, as he munches down Gummy Bears by the handful). When we create a sigil with intent, it becomes more than a pictogram (if only subtly more), and transcends the mundane to represent a living embodiment of the spirit itself. It’s as important or, at least fundamental, as the full legal name of a human being; in the right context and under the right circumstances, it essentially is that person. In an increasingly bureaucratic society, this is perhaps more obvious than it was in times prior. But, you know this! Most of us would know this, and be familiar with what a spirit sigil is beyond the paper and ink used in its creation.
The significance makes itself apparent when we remember that sigils are just one example of spiritual technology, and actually contain a whole lot of information (ie, the entire spirit itself, or at least the link thereto). They need to be treated with respect at the very least, being stored, used, cared for and retired in an appropriate manner. When we make this first sigil for our operation, we are creating something special which has all these associations and connotations attached; much like if your beloved were to give you a photograph of themselves, which although you could scan and keep a digital copy of in case you ever needed to print another one out, the original is the one with all the sentimental value attached to it, and you would naturally treat it as being something just a little more special.
In the case of a spirit sigil, the one we make when we are preparing for the operation a week in advance is that original copy that is also the special one. While we could very well just make one immediately before, or even during the actual ritual itself, it would be far, far less personal, and have nothing to do with all the important stuff I’m about to explain in detail.
So, now it’s seven days until the ritual is due to begin, we have just created our sigil, and we’ve researched everything (within reason) that we can find about the spirit we’re planning to evoke. Now, I will take a candle that’s not too big by any means, and in fact, smaller ones are better. I like to use black, but that’s simply per my tradition. Alternatives would be a colour that pertained to the spirit in question, or even the colour of the day or hour that you have reserved for the ritual (with the colours of the hours being the same as the colours of the days, according to planetary ruler… ie, both Tuesday and the hour of Mars are ruled by Mars, so their colour would be red).
Now that we have our candle, we need to “activate” it and make it worthy of the sigil we’ve prepared (and stored for the moment, face-down in an apprpriate place… which I’ll leave to your own good judgement). Some resources I’ve found useful are S. Connolly’s “Daemonolator’s Guide to Daemonic Magic” and her “Complete Book of Daemonolatry”. Specifically, the former title contains information regarding colour, incense, many oleum recipes and other pertinent information useful for our purpose here.
If you can’t find an oleum / oil / balm etc that you’re happy with, just use your intuition. Personally, I have a bottle of Absinth that I use for demonic libations etc, so I’ll just use a bit of that to dress the candle I’m using (and, there’s a special technique to properly dressing a candle… I’m sure you’d be able to find it online at some pagan website, but there’s also information on this in the two S. Connolly books mentioned above, adding to their usefulness). In the case of non-demonic entities, I’d use something like frankincense oil, myrrh oil, vanilla or rose oils etc, however I would certainly prefer to make my own rather than to purchase some perhaps-questionable blend of… well, something that most people wouldn’t know what’s going on, you know? At least with the absinth, a good brand (with the only one in Australia that I’ll enjoy drinking being “Doubs”, although “Dr. Jekyll” is acceptable, too, but I won’t buy a whole bottle… just a shot if I’m at a bar or something)… At least with a good absinth, it’s going to be of drinkable quality, and heavy on the alcohol (as a preservative), so that should be fine, as all we’re after is the wormwood oil rather than having to make our own tinctures, which can be a pain in the ass and something I don’t enjoy doing.
So, we’ve got our sigil stored safely and appropriately while we fiddle with the other stuff going on, our good-quality candle of a particular colour (or just black) that goes all the way through, plus we’ve looked up how to dress a candle the “proper” way, and we’ve got our absinth for demons and angelic oil / oleum / tincture for angels.
Now, using your favourite method (ie a knife tip or a hot pin / unfolded paperclip etc), inscribe the candle near the base with the sigil of the spirit in question. There’s not much room, so it won’t be absolutely perfect, but if you put some effort into this part, it will pay off because the time and energy you’re spending, here, will strengthen the bond between yourself and the spirit by a great deal. You can add their name, too, if you like. I usually find there isn’t enough space to do it the way I’d like, so I often just inscribe their initial (ie, “L” for Lucifer) on the other side of the candle, directly opposite the sigil. Alternatively, I’ll just leave it out. It really just depends on how I feel at the time.
At this point, now you can go ahead and dress the candle:) Like the carving of the sigil / letter / name, it should be done solemnly and with a sense of purpose. If you are required to state the reason for the dressing of the candle, it’s to “honour the spirit of (title & spirit name), in preparation for a future ritual in which their assistance will be required”, or something to that effect. It should obviously be respectful, and to the point.
Once the candle is dressed, it should be stored safely with the sigil, and placed directly upon it when being used (face down is fine, but only face up if nobody is going to see it. if the profane even gaze upon this particular sigil, it should be retired and a new one made as mentioned above. This is a serious, solemn piece of spiritual technology, and it hasn’t been used yet, so its future influence can still be affected by the profane (or anyone aside from yourself, for that matter) if their subconscious becomes aware of it.
In order to use the candle, each night before bed (ideally, although the time is not of crucial importance), you should place the candle on top of the sigil, light the wick and just meditate for a little while. I prefer to run through the entire ritual, or at least those parts where I can remember what’s supposed to be said:) Medical science has shown that running through something in your mind as a kind of rehearsal, if done with a serious attention to detali, is 80% as-effective in promoting competence as actually going ahead and physically practising the task, for real. That’s pretty amazing, and it highlights the usefulness of “running through” a procedure in your mind, over and over. As I can’t remember much of the litany for any given ritual, an alternative is to have the script of the ritual printed out (if you use one, like I do) so that you can run through the whole thing, if you so choose. Another alternative is simply to meditate more, and focus on the energy of the sigil flowing up through the body of the candle, only to burst into life in the physical realm around the area of the wick, where the flame is visible.
Try to get a sense that the energy is tangible, that it’s almost erupting into reality right there in front of you, and that through the flame, which acts as a portal to the realm of spirit, your energetic current(s) here in the physical are associating themselves with the spirit you will be evoking. It is important to not project the impression of immediacy through the candle flame. Remember, the ritual is still a week away, so while you seek out the presence of the spirit via the candle, you’re definitely not trying to call them forth! Of course, you can always just write a short prayer stating all this. For example, just a half-dozen lines saying that in (number) of days, you will call upon them in ritual for assistance, that you appreciate their showing up promptly, that you have prepared this candle for them etc etc. Half an hour of meditation is perfectly fine. You’re just looking to reach a state of peace, calm and connectedness with the spirit. As though the candle flame comes alive with a spiritual consciousness. Almost:)
Once you begin this process, it is ideal that it continue for all six days prior to the day of the ritual, at which time the candle can be lit once more and the sigil placed face-down beneath it, until it is time to open the sigil and actually call the spirit forth into manifestation. If you can’t light the candle for whatever reason for a night (or two, or three), then don’t sweat it. Worrying is the worst thing you can do, so just get back to it whenever you can. Remember, most people don’t bother with this pre-ritual operation in the first place, and they are perfectly succesful in evocation.
Finally, once the ritual is over, keep the candle stub safe with the sigil (as they are linked now), and when you retire the sigil itself, bury the ashes with the candle stub together. Alternatively, you can always melt the candle down entirely so that the carved sigil is destroyed, and all the wax has been liquified. As the wax cools, you’ll find that it hardly carries any spiritual energy signature at all. I would still bury it at this point, but it needn’t be kept or buried with the ashes of the sigil. I mention this here, as some people prefer not to bury the ashes, but introduce them to running water (sink, toilet) or to the wind, which cannot necessarily be done with wax. By completely melting and reforming the wax, at least the ashes can be disposed of by some means other than burial, if you prefer.
Actually, that’s not quite what I’m saying:) In your particular scenario, I’m saying that you would probably get better results from candle magic if that’s how you went about it, but there’s theoretically no reason why it wouldn’t be able to change people’s minds / feelings about things. I mention your scenario in particular, as you already said that you were having problems, and have had similar problems with candle magic in the past, so I was looking for another alternative for you. I don’t use candles for much stuff these days, but I find them similarly useful to basic sigil magic. That is, small-time wish fulfilment. For example, small amounts of money, finding something I’m interested in acquiring, good fortune, recovery from a specific illness etc. Anything more complicated than joining two points in time and space, and I look for more “intelligent” or more “capable” forms of magic. Both candles and sigils are efficient, easy to do, and very quick with their results. As for changing someone’s mind, however, it depends on the scenario entirely. If they’re trying to decide between two things, you could easily influence them however you prefer (at least in theory). If they’re dead-set in their ways, you’d have a hard time with any variety of magic. Another example… Say you and some other guy are up for the same promotion and it all comes down to performance and workplace efficiency. Use candle and sigil magic to provide you with as many opportunities as you can physically and mentaly handle in order to make the best impression you can. All the effort in the world doesn’t mean anything if you haven’t got the opportunities through which you can express it! This is just one example how many simple, fast-turnaround results can be easily acheived using candle magic. Also, you might want to use demonic evocation to make the “other guy” sick or dead before the promotion’s given out XD
Maybe try doing it in the first hour of the day??
As the night is related to earth element, you might not get the movement required for the change easily.
If you do it in the morning/ first hour of the day, you will receive better results.
Better to do it at around noon. As fire element is strongest at that time.
Combine it with some incense sticks, it will bump up power as air feeds the fire, incense sticks will feed the candle which would allow for the movement required.
