The Miracles of the Saints and the Occult

White Magick, Right Hand Path & Sephirothic Magick
#1

I have a question, a lot of the disdain for magic in Catholic circles especially, is the belief that it pales in comparison to what God can do. But, throughout the history of the Church many Saints have done many amazing acts.

My favorite Saint is St. Catherine of Siena, she is a mystic and Doctor (Teacher) of the Church, best known for her magnum opus, The Dialogue, which was written entirely when she was in ecstasy (a type of Catholic mystic trance) and claims to be the very words of Christ.

Her biography was written shortly after her death by her confessor and confidant, Bl. Raymond of Capua. In it he describes many of her visions and miracles. The big one I want to focus on has to do with her mother.

Let’s set the stage, fourteenth century Italy, Catherine de Benicasa is the second youngest surviving child of 26, 14 became adults. Catherine was born March 25th which is the Feast of the Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary, in the year of 1347. As an adult, she fervently prays for her family, and in a vision Jesus assures her soul by promising that “not one of the members of your family will suffer the flames of eternal fire.”

Fast forward to the incident in question, her mother is bedridden and is soon to die. She, however, in denial of the inevitable, puts off confessing her sins until it is too late. Catherine comes home after mass when she sees a large group crowding in her mother’s bedroom. Catherine is furious and howls at Jesus, “You promised me that not a soul of my family shall suffer eternal fire, yet my mother terribly suffers, put back her soul at once!” In that moment, in the presence of many witnesses, Mama Lapa was restored to life and resurrected from the dead. Later, in interviews by Raymond, she jokes that God had put her soul in “crosswise” since she lived to such an old age, especially for medieval Italy.

Have you ever experienced a resurrection of a dead body to true life in the occult? I have a close friend named Gord who swears that he saw a dead man brought to life by prayer and the Holy Spirit. What are your thoughts?

What about miraculous, instantaneous healing? This is an extremely common miracle in the Catholic Church, but have you seem instantaneous healing in the occult? I myself have instantaneously healed two individuals in the name of Jesus, my mother’s broken foot and a friend’s scars from his recent surgery that got badly infected. What are your thoughts on this?

#2

My observations are that amazing miracles happen in almost every single religion and faith in the world now how much is genuine and how much is the work of priests attempting to fill the collection plates is up for debate. The universal constant in all the events involving thaumaturgy of an amazing degree is faith, the individual has such an undying faith in their jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, that it works as a placebo effect.

My mother used to tell us to pray to Jesus when we were sick and I remember my brother had enough and told her damn it mom that doesn’t do shit! I need some medicine. He was right every time we got sick she told us to pray to get well and it never did shit.

This was when I started to question things. Why were we fed a line of crap about miracles and such and when we needed help there was none. I kept hearing it’s faith you have to have faith. I asked well if it’s all about me and my faith then does some supernatural deity have anything to do with it at all? Obviously that couldn’t be because these other religions are having miracles and saying it was their god, well which one is the real one? they all do miracles for selected followers so what gives here?

The inevitable conclusion is that it’s the individual not the deity. The faith in the deity facilitates the mechanism that effects change in our observed reality. The mechanism however is within us. A good example was the one given by ashtker about the saint who came home to find her mother dead without the last rights. Here we find that when she finds that her mother’s condition contradicts what is in her belief (that her mother would be spared torture of hell) she became angry and demanded that jesus bring her mother back. I have two problems with this narrative, the first is that from her viewpoint jesus forgot about his deal with her or he neglected the deal.

Doesn’t sound like his personality to drop the ball like that being the son of God and everything. Second is that she reacted like a child throwing a tantrum and had to demand that the son of God make good on his deal. The mechanism went into effect to make her reality coincide with what she believed. Even Jesus himself says faith moves mountains notice he doesn’t say god moves mountains he says “faith” moves mountains. He even goes as far to say

“Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” He doesn’t say god or himself he says (YOU)!!! YOU can say to the mountain move and it will move . He doesn’t say god will move it for you he says it will move. It’s Mathew 17:20 for all you Bible thumpers out there. Now I have not raised the dead but I have done some things which defy the general perception of what is possible and it was because I had faith in myself to do it.

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#3

[quote=“ashtkerr, post:1, topic:8897”]I have a question, a lot of the disdain for magic in Catholic circles especially, is the belief that it pales in comparison to what God can do. But, throughout the history of the Church many Saints have done many amazing acts.

My favorite Saint is St. Catherine of Siena, she is a mystic and Doctor (Teacher) of the Church, best known for her magnum opus, The Dialogue, which was written entirely when she was in ecstasy (a type of Catholic mystic trance) and claims to be the very words of Christ.

Her biography was written shortly after her death by her confessor and confidant, Bl. Raymond of Capua. In it he describes many of her visions and miracles. The big one I want to focus on has to do with her mother.

Let’s set the stage, fourteenth century Italy, Catherine de Benicasa is the second youngest surviving child of 26, 14 became adults. Catherine was born March 25th which is the Feast of the Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary, in the year of 1347. As an adult, she fervently prays for her family, and in a vision Jesus assures her soul by promising that “not one of the members of your family will suffer the flames of eternal fire.”

Fast forward to the incident in question, her mother is bedridden and is soon to die. She, however, in denial of the inevitable, puts off confessing her sins until it is too late. Catherine comes home after mass when she sees a large group crowding in her mother’s bedroom. Catherine is furious and howls at Jesus, “You promised me that not a soul of my family shall suffer eternal fire, yet my mother terribly suffers, put back her soul at once!” In that moment, in the presence of many witnesses, Mama Lapa was restored to life and resurrected from the dead. Later, in interviews by Raymond, she jokes that God had put her soul in “crosswise” since she lived to such an old age, especially for medieval Italy.

Have you ever experienced a resurrection of a dead body to true life in the occult? I have a close friend named Gord who swears that he saw a dead man brought to life by prayer and the Holy Spirit. What are your thoughts?

What about miraculous, instantaneous healing? This is an extremely common miracle in the Catholic Church, but have you seem instantaneous healing in the occult? I myself have instantaneously healed two individuals in the name of Jesus, my mother’s broken foot and a friend’s scars from his recent surgery that got badly infected. What are your thoughts on this?[/quote]

Firstly there is a distinction between a miracle, answered prayer or even the power of faith versus witchcraft and magick. I’m fully aware that magicians fail to realize the difference between prayer and magick. Every one of them I’ve met so far argues that they are the same. Suffice to say the Bible draws the distinction itself.

Deuteronomy 18:10
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

2 Chronicles 33:6
And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

Now as for prayer, to keep it short to pray is to ask. For my evidence of this, just look at every instance of the word pray here:

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=pray]BibleGateway - Keyword Search: pray[/url]

Now another thing you have to keep in mind is the power of the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the name above all names and people may have the power to perform wonders just by using the name of Jesus alone but that does not mean they are Christian or are saved or on their way to heaven. Proof below:

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

In the passage above, these people called him Lord, in the name of Jesus they cast out devils and did many wonderful works, yet they still went to hell. This proves that even someone who is going to hell can perform wonderful works in the name of Jesus. I believe this is why an unsaved Catholic can possibly perform miracles in the name of Jesus Christ. The reason I pointed this out is because I read your previous post where you expressed interest in getting into religion but then you proceeded to go to a Catholic church which in my opinion was a mistake. I’m by no means an expert on the issue but I believe the Catholics to be the biggest false religion, appearing to be Christian on the outside yet the closer you look into it they are teaching people a false works-based salvation. Below I provided a few resources to help point you in the right direction if you are interested:

Once Saved Always Saved
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hycjHApNNOM]- YouTube

“God’s Word vs. Vain Tradition” (Orthodox & Roman Catholic Church Exposed)
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrVCdtJ1WQ]- YouTube

The Bible Way to Heaven
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY]- YouTube

If you want to discuss this with me in private you are more than welcome to send me a private message.

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#4

[quote=“iratecaller”]I’ll let our learned friends offer up more intellectual viewpoints. My belief at this fluid point on my path is that we are all trying to tap into that “stuff of miracles”.

Much like I want to believe all the fantastic claims made by the people on this awesome forum, I can’t outright deny the possibility that the Saints performed amazing acts of magick either. The Saints, while completely connected to some extreme occult current managed some amazing shit.

We are all here trying to crack the code. The keys are all within reach, and most of us are performing feats of personal transformation, healings of all manner, divination, and all that fun stuff.

Those of us, that are honest with ourselves, will have to admit that what we can achieve with magick looks like cheap parlour tricks compared to miracles performed by the Saints.

Instead of being put off by it and seething with jealousy or disbelief, we can see it as a sign of things to come, as some of us manage to fully attune ourselves and tap into the underpinnings of this grand illusion.

God has had a dictatorial effect on the psyches of those who feel the need to tap into the spirit world with his “Though shall nots”.

Part of what BALG is about is deprogramming ourselves of those debilitating blocks. In doing so however, we may temporarily distance ourselves from “the stuff of miracles”, as we try to forge our own way.

So we say: Fuck you and your “though shall nots”, especially when it comes to using our minds, and “God given” free wills. I want to perform divination and speak with the dead, damn it. I enjoy it responsibly.

We’ll get there through our own will, observations of the laws of nature and empathic connection with the denizens of the various planes of existence.

Our ascension as a species is far from complete.[/quote]

I’m glad even you pointed this out and I didn’t have to. Magick is like a cheap trick compared to the power of God. Just look at Jannes and Jambres the magicians of Pharoah. Yes, they did have great power yet after a certain point their power was limited and inferior to the power Moses had through the LORD God. Now as for your rejection of the “thou shalt nots” I just wanted to illustrate this to you as a parent telling a child, “Thou shalt not touch the hot stove.” It’s not an attempt to keep you down or limit your freedom, it’s called good advice for your own protection and well-being. There is a reason for things like “thou shalt not xyz.” In the garden, God told Adam he could freely eat of all of the trees except 1 single tree (again this was for his own good), then Satan the father of lies twisted it around and basically said, is it true that you cannot eat from all the trees? That made it seem like he had less freedom, which was a deceptive way of wording it. In truth, he had massive amounts of freedom, and it was painted as if the sin would provide more freedom, when actually it created bondage and suffering.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (A.K.A. Freedom)

It’s simply a deception that rejecting God’s commands to sinning brings freedom. Actually it tends to bring imprisonment, suffering, destruction, fear and bondage, or the exact opposite of freedom.

#5

[quote=“AdamThoth, post:2, topic:8897”]My observations are that amazing miracles happen in almost every single religion and faith in the world now how much is genuine and how much is the work of priests attempting to fill the collection plates is up for debate. The universal constant in all the events involving thaumaturgy of an amazing degree is faith, the individual has such an undying faith in their jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, that it works as a placebo effect.

My mother used to tell us to pray to Jesus when we were sick and I remember my brother had enough and told her damn it mom that doesn’t do shit! I need some medicine. He was right every time we got sick she told us to pray to get well and it never did shit.

This was when I started to question things. Why were we fed a line of crap about miracles and such and when we needed help there was none. I kept hearing it’s faith you have to have faith. I asked well if it’s all about me and my faith then does some supernatural deity have anything to do with it at all? Obviously that couldn’t be because these other religions are having miracles and saying it was their god, well which one is the real one? they all do miracles for selected followers so what gives here?

The inevitable conclusion is that it’s the individual not the deity. The faith in the deity facilitates the mechanism that effects change in our observed reality. The mechanism however is within us. A good example was the one given by ashtker about the saint who came home to find her mother dead without the last rights. Here we find that when she finds that her mother’s condition contradicts what is in her belief (that her mother would be spared torture of hell) she became angry and demanded that jesus bring her mother back. I have two problems with this narrative, the first is that from her viewpoint jesus forgot about his deal with her or he neglected the deal.

Doesn’t sound like his personality to drop the ball like that being the son of God and everything. Second is that she reacted like a child throwing a tantrum and had to demand that the son of God make good on his deal. The mechanism went into effect to make her reality coincide with what she believed. Even Jesus himself says faith moves mountains notice he doesn’t say god moves mountains he says “faith” moves mountains. He even goes as far to say

“Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” He doesn’t say god or himself he says (YOU)!!! YOU can say to the mountain move and it will move . He doesn’t say god will move it for you he says it will move. It’s Mathew 17:20 for all you Bible thumpers out there. Now I have not raised the dead but I have done some things which defy the general perception of what is possible and it was because I had faith in myself to do it.[/quote]

If you give up and lose faith because God didn’t answer your prayer, that’s the same thing as if you try 1 spell, it fails, then you conclude that magick doesn’t exist. Obviously in order to become skilled at magick it takes many failures, many spells, trial and error, and years and study and experience to be proficient. The same is true with prayer. It makes no sense to immediately conclude that prayer doesn’t work just because one doesn’t have the faith, knowledge, background, experience, proficiency, power or relationship with Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 3:12
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

James 1:5-8
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

1 John 3:22-23
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

It’s a mistake to think that God will answer just anyone or just any prayer. There are many factors involved. It’s also a mistake to think that prayer doesn’t work. It just doesn’t work for everyone as not all men have faith.

Furthermore, I commend you for recognizing the power of faith but I think it’s a mistake for your to trust in your own power versus God. Having faith in yourself can only get you so far. Notice below that the first thing Jesus said was, “Have faith in God.” He did not say, have faith in yourself. By the way, faith comes by hearing the word of God. So when you read that bible verse you quoted, and believe it is true, in my opinion that is like having faith in God because you believe what he said is true.

Mark 11:21-23
And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

If you trust in yourself, it is like a weak foundation.

Luke 6:47-49
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Psalm 33:16-20
There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.
An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield.

Psalm 127
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep.
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

When you understand and realize that the Bible is the word of God, and the word of God is truth and you can trust on it and rely upon it, then your faith is built upon a strong foundation like a rock. That is how you can attain immovable faith, faith that can move mountains, faith that doesn’t need scientific evidence or proof to know that something is true.

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The following is a great documentary on the King James version and why it is the best version to use, I highly recommend it if you are interested in studying the power of faith verses magick because the other versions simply do not have the power that the King James has.

“New World Order Bible Versions” Full Movie with Subtitles
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53BN9tTDoCw]- YouTube

#6

Well said!

Mod hat quickly on, I’m moving this thread to the RHP/White Magick section because of the replies there by Shadowmoses, which are not really appropriate for the main forum per the rules on preaching dogma. :slight_smile: