Typically people who have been involved at some point in golden dawn or thelemic cerimonial magick know what that is. But on this forum, not everyone has that kind of background, so basically the LBRP, is the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, and BRH is the Banishing Ritual of the Hexagram. You can look it up under some golden dawn or thelema stuff.
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I’m not a demon and this offends me.
“In the Name of God, the God of Yisrael: may Michael be at my right hand, Gabriel at my left, Uriel before me, Raphael behind me, and above my head, the presence of God.”
Who is this God I speak in the name of? What is the meaning of Yisrael?
MEANING : This name derives from the Hebrew biblical given name “Yiśrāʾēl > Yisra’el”, meaning “God contended”. The patriarch Jacob was given the name Israel “Triumphant with God”, “who prevails with God” after he wrestled with the angel (Genesis 32:28 and 35:10).
To jump in this paradigm of Jewish of Judeo-Christian when performing a ritual seems ignorant. I feel you make 2 assumptions when doing this.
- The Christian Bible is truth.
Sure you can cherry pick like Christians do but I refuse to believe this Yaweh exist and things unfolded as written in this book. If so, why would I do anything in HIS name!? I don’t believe in putting negativity out into the universe on purpose, but if there is any hate in my heart for something that may or may not exist, it’s for this “God” people speak in the name of. Indoctrination and 20 years wasted living and following his name. Has brought me nothing but stagnation and mediocrity!
- Demons didn’t exist before 34 AD.
Is this ritual just using the context of something we can grasp to accomplish a goal?
Surely the originators knew that a divine energy didn’t just spring into existence 2000 years ago. I read a different thread on the various names Lucifer has been given. The mix up with Satan. Other demons surely have had various names over the ages. Likewise, maybe Yaweh has too. Zues perhaps? I’ll be the first to say I don’t know.
It’s like speaking Latin in movies when evoking demons. They’ve been around for million of years and came across Latin and thought. This is dope! All summoning in Latin now.
If I’m going to work with Bune (or Bim still don’t know if it’s a girl or guy 100%) invite him/her into my house. Ask for help ascending in my personal life. Then tell me I have to clear a space in my home speaking the name of some slave desert God?
No sir.
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No, not everyone who uses these rituals believes it’s the truth. They are simply recognizing the power of a God since the ritual that they need to use is based on Him. Getting “offended” by historical occult practices is surely something I’m seeing a first of here.
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It’s a first because you don’t understand the context in which it’s presented. It’s not the practice of “historical” ceremonies that offends me, it’s what’s perceived as giving it power. Such a right hand path perversion of something intended to be a tool for left hand path workings. Why not just pray to your God and skip the ceremonial nonsense? Better yet, just put on your Sunday best and go to church.
A bigger topic to address, is why are you using something you don’t believe to be the truth? Does that not affect the conviction and the emotion in which you perform the ceremony? Conducting a ritual of lies just for the sake of completion? Come on.
You’re either not active on this forum, or I’m the first to challenge these ridiculous RHP ceremonies. I doubt the ladder. And wouldn’t dare use such a false paradoxical mindset for anything in life.
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But why is it considered a disgrace to one’s beliefs and the systems to take a ritual from a different system? Even if said ritual gives power to a being they do not worship, if the ritual helps them to manifest whatever they are looking for that is plenty enough motivation to do so. Some practices choose to use a mix of rituals, spirituality is very free form. In a sense using these RHP rituals can be a way for people to take power back in their practice by utilizing a system that has outcasted them.
Many of those who use these rituals do believe them to be partly true. Speaking from the experiences I’ve had asking other occultists about this, it seems that they understand that this God is powerful, but they don’t declare Him as their own fully. Just for the sake of ritual.
The goal of a ritual is to manifest something. Some people will choose to go the route that gets them what they need no matter if it completely adheres to their beliefs or not. It’s not anyone’s place to tell them that what they’re doing is false. In the moment it may be true to them.
You’re not the first to challenge them, it usually just ends up with pointless arguing. The issue is that subjectivity is the biggest factor here. Not everyone is bound to view things from the same point for the same periods of time.
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@victory That’s fair. I can understand the perspective of using what you need to in order to get what you want.
The cost of your integrity is too much for me to willing contribute though. Different systems exist because individuals saw need to change them. Saw results from doing so, and continued. Thus, negating the previous system for the intended result. To take a step back and say I’ll use this from here and this from that is not a system (system of chaos perhaps). To create it as such in this context of contacting a demon as suggested and integrate it as part of ritual is indeed a “disgrace” as you put it. I’m just not a fan of the Golden Dawn in general.
I’ve been told only immature children deal in absolutes. To add some levity and quote Star Wars “Only the Sith deal in absolutes”. To me, God exist and is real and sent his only son blah blah blah or he didn’t and he’s not. It’s never been proven (to me) either way and to operate in a manner that suggest it has, is disingenuous at best. I have chosen this is NOT true until proven otherwise.
I agree as Crowley said, “magic is in the mind of the magician”. And with you, in the moment, I’m sure it’s real to whoever is practicing it. What a world some manifest in their minds.
Agreed again, arguing is often fruitless with keyboard cowboys of the internet. I have no point to prove and therefore nothing to gain by arguing. Conflict does bring growth, just like tearing a muscle.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and putting my ideas to the fire. It’s good to be challenged and shape your ideas which is why I love BALG and can do so in a respectable, intelligent discussion with like minds.
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So I’ve no idea why the 2 year response but I’ve never seen this version so no clue where ya got it.
The versions of the pentagram and hexagram rituals i am familiar with are done for the purpose primarily for banishing or invoking specific elemental and planetary energies that align with a given operation. Mostly through a mix of asana, mantra and mudra geared toward that tradition most likely hidden within the culture the same way alot of voodoo practices are hidden in plan sight.
The rite as i am familiar with in regards to the lbrp as i recall goes from the grand cross which works as an invocation of the soul followed by the banishing of mundane elements and evocation of the archangels and the 6 rayed star(again tied to the light of the soul as i understand the rite) my own practice has shifted away from the golden dawns system for years now so the order may be a bit off. But the entire point of this work as i understand it is for people who would prefer to use the unconscious programming they were exposed to previously instead of going though the long process of breaking down the old patterns and building new ones. I know plenty of people who use the system to get practical results. I myself have done the same but not without friction but this is due to my own internal issues with the cults of monotheism and not the efficacy of the rites themselves.
Part Three: The Evocation of the Archangels
STEP ONE. Spread your arms straight out to the sides, so that your body forms a cross…
STEP TWO. Visualize a figure on a hill in front of you. The figure is dressed in yellow robes which have some purplish highlights…You should “feel” a breeze coming from behind the figure. Say, Before me, Rah-fay-EL (vibrate the name of the Archangel).
STEP THREE. Visualize a figure behind you, dressed in blue with some orange highlights…Try to feel the moisture in the air. Say, Behind me, Gahb-ray-EL (vibrate the name).
STEP FOUR. To your right visualize a figure dressed in scarlet with green highlights… [Y]ou should feel heat coming from this direction. Say, On my right hand, Mee-chai-EL (vibrate the name. The “CH” is a guttural sound as in the German “ach” or the Scottish “loch”).
STEP FIVE. To your lift visualize a figure dressed in greens and browns on a fertile landscape…Say, And on my left hand Ohr-ree-EL (vibrate the name).
STEP SIX. Move your left foot out to your left and visualize another beautiful blue pentagram all around you, outlining your body. Say, For about me flames the pentagram…
STEP SEVEN. Visualize a golden hexagram…within you, right where your heart is. Say, …And within me shines the six-rayed star.
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