Taking cocaine or other drug before a ritual

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Psychedelics can do amazing things for the headspace but this is one of the areas where Iā€™ll say ā€œget to where you can do it without itā€

Iā€™ve had profound evocation experiences on Weed, Psilocybin, LSD, and DMT. Nearly every time I get strong spirit contact. It opens your senses wide and you sense the spiritual far better

Some say MDMA can do similar things, I donā€™t understand it though

Cocaine and the like? ā€¦no. Sure you might feel like you invoked a god and tell everyone you are (your favorite diety) incarnate, but you also might be the type of person to get half the room hating you after youā€™re 12 lines deep repeating the same thing 6 times and have no idea because thatā€™s kind of what it does.

Iā€™ve done evocations on Pre-workout with DMAA and itā€™s not ideal. You canā€™t relax and go into trance. Your skillz donā€™t matter at all at that point because your CNS is artificially redlined and no your will canā€™t bring it down or else you wouldnā€™t do drugs youā€™d just pump your state there at will.

Subjective synthesis is huge, your belief and ability to emotion the whole ritual plays a huge part but youā€™re also working with other consciousness during evocation. They donā€™t mix well with that headspace when it comes to formal contact. You might channel some quite well from there but Coke is going to merge you with your experience, not pull you from it.

Observing your own ego, introspection. Not flights of ideas and sudden boundless confidence. Those are results, not rituals themselves.

Psychedelics mimic Theta Gamma Synch. Stimulants are Alpha/Gamma waves all the way. No theta to be found. No trance. Just go go go.

Iā€™d avoid it. Definitely donā€™t make it a regular part of your practice unless you need deeper wisdom (they always hear you, you might need more confidence in hearing them)

If you want to mix enthogens with your practice Iā€™m a very big fan of DMT. Nothing can prepare you for it, and I actually heard Belial for the first time when I went there. Youā€™ll get a flash of insight thatā€™s exactly the one thing you need to hear in that moment. Then youā€™ll feel like waking from a dream

THC can do crazy cool things too but spiral out too far and you might wake up to a bunch of answers in a journal spaced in between stuff you thought was profound at the time

My personal favorites:

ā€œThe sandy beaches of Eternityā€
ā€œTime is folding in on itself. Infinitesimals at Yin and Yangā€ (ā€¦what?)
ā€œIā€™m going to save humanity with Porn!ā€

Fun stuff, youā€™ll see. Worth it if you can laugh at yourself after you forget the slightest clue what trip you were on.

You also might craft a truly genius way through a huge problem with a very simple answer that side steps every issue in a big area of your life. I bypassed a huge business problem and sent a text to my business partner at 3 am that fixed a critical issue that would have ended the company.

Whatever they are, space it out. Otherwise itā€™s just another trip, keep it special and it will be

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I did shrooms when I was extremely depressed in Alabama. I decided to go to the park and then I went to the gym. I experienced such euphoria and realized everything was alive with spirit. Afterwards, i had this sudden thought to look up a list of demons where I stumbled upon a demonolatry website and found myself crying because a demon matched an entity i met in a dream.

Thatā€™s when I delved Into demonolatry.

It was a really spiritual experience for me and I believe it cured my depression for a short period of time. When my depression came back, I then had demonolatry to hang onto in order to fix years of trauma.

I think it is good to use in moderation, especially when experiencing a dry spell in life.

For weed, I use it to relax. I dont like to use it before or during ritual or meditation because I feel like it doesnā€™t count. It is much more gratifying to reach a heightened state of mind on my own than with the aid of drugs. I also feel like the progress made is an illusion, and that you arenā€™t truly building yourself.

I will use it while Iā€™m reading and studying because I end up having huge revelations about myself and how I act, and I write these realizations down in a journal. So it can be good for that.

It really is all up to you. Try it and see what you think. Thatā€™s the only way for you to know.

Be careful because you can go fucking insane, and do not get addicted. I was in a world of hurt when I was addicted to my psych meds and I will never ever again touch a pill or a drug.

The only exceptions for me are ketamine, weed, and shrooms, but used rarely and for specific purpose.

I also find nothing wrong with microdosing hallucinogens for therapeutic reasons. Studies have shown that it can help those with major depression, and Iā€™m all for it.

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Iā€™ve heard both amazing and terrible things about ketamine. Whatā€™s the draw to it for you? Itā€™s a dissociative so I imagine a sort of Nitrous Oxide feeling from it (which would be terrifyingly wonderful if it lasted longer than less than a minute).

Most meditation pulls one from the merged experience so the operator begins to see they are more than the contents, thoughts and feelings of their mind. Dissociation where cause and effect arenā€™t guarranteed, they have a choice in everything if they can pull back instead of merging with the experience where mechanistic action -> reaction.

Deeper in shows that time, space, and existence as a whole is all made of the same thing, all the way back to Zero State where all is one yet ā€œnothing is.ā€

Other forms go the other way and merge you with the experience. Pendulum between seeing the matrix and being part of it.

Does it lead to anything like this for you? Iā€™m always drawn to substances from a spiritual perspective first and then try to incorporate what I learn in my practice in daily life. Iā€™ve also heard of horrendous addiction stories that has my guard up around it.

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Meant to reply to you and not the thread, oops

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I havenā€™t tried it yet, I just have it on my list of substances that Iā€™m okay with ingesting. The interest for me is therapeutic. There are clinics opening that do ketamine therapy. As someone who suffers from PTSD, I imagine it could help me overcome a lot of mental blockages I have and open me up to experience what I practice with a clearer mind.

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In case anyone is thinking this is a good idea, this is where the op is at. :point_up_2:

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Brilliant explanation!

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Recently a sisterā€™s post about putting menstrual blood in food was taken down because it was felt that doing so could be illegal. That said, it great to see drug posts. Makes you wonder though.

Al.

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Low dose caffeine or nicotine or something similar actually enhances the experience in the long run. If you take cocaine or amphetamines, the 1st time will be great, but after that it just becomes problems if you take it too often (which can actually be not even that often).

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Some drugs such as cannabis, LSD, Mushrooms, etcā€¦ etcā€¦ open your mind. Drugs such as Coke, have a tendency to narrow it. If youā€™re going to do drugs for a ritual I wouldnā€™t recommend coke.

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:joy::joy:i watched one of my friends use a frisbee at work to roll a joint

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seek help from a demon that specializes in getting off drugs

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Do you know one?

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no but iā€™m sure the forum does you need a healthy mind balanced healthy chakras to perform magick good nite bye. good luck in your journey

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Only if such drugs are bad. There are good legal drugs like caffeine that help by providing you with mental alertness and such.

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Iā€™ve never had occasion to need that, but from what Iā€™ve heard, Belial and Buer are both good for that.

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How often can one safely consume methamphetamine before practicing magick?

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Meth cannot be safely done there is always a consequence from doing the drug METH

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Caffeine can alter your brainā€™s electrical signals and cause a seizure .it can also cause Death, Caffeine is also addictive

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How long do I have to wait to practice magick after drinking coffee, about 100-200mg caffeine?