Study of Goetia Demons (origins, name Etymology etc)

[Xag_darklight]

Hello,

I will first start by saying that I love demonology and it is sort of an obsession of mine to learn everything about them.

Here some concepts and purports about known things about them.

Are they really ancient gods?

Some of them are straight up hebrewnized (or Just rename) of ancient gods. Examples:

Astarte, ishtar: astaroth
Belet, baalat: beleth
Baal: bael
Dagon : zagan ( dagon had a consort whose name is Belatu which an another name od baalat,Beltu who js connected to Beleth. I literally saw Beleth and zagan together in a ritual before I researched about this, so I am a keen believer that there is even relationships and divine couples between Goetic spirits because its my UPG of the ongoing eternal love between Dagon and Belatu hence Zagan and Beleth)
Amon: no I don’t believe he is connected to the Egyptian god amon (that connection belongs to amaymon Imo) so the truth may in an alternative name of this Goetic demon which Nahum

Greek/Latin Names

Ipos: Literally means horse in greek

Botis

Forneus

Vine: it Literally means a sort of ancient war machine back in the day. Vine maybe derived from a similar spirit found on an older book which his name is royne But vine as a spirit is connected to a lioness war Storm goddess which makes sense to me even why vine is named after a war machine.

Andras: this spirit probably originates from indar or indra from Hindu and Zoroastrian spirituality. As a spirit of war, the spirit is Very Martian in nature in so doing very masculine. Andras literally means Man in greek, makes sense.

Is there Goetics that are completely demonic and upg the original sorcerer who wrote the book?
I believe so, for example Dantalion, sabnock, glasya labolas sound very much like channeled names like ones you would found in the book of Azazel. Especially Dantalion.

Glasya labolas is a little more complicated, because some other spellings will be variations of these two themes.
1: connecting Glasya+ labalas together as one word and have alternative spellings
2: labolas
If labolas stands out then Glasya must be more like a title or prefix. Another spirit who is a Prince or king that accompanies paimon may be connected to him. The accompanying king of paimon is named labal. So Glasya labolas be a prefix to that king?

Enough for now, I will leave the heavy work and editing to be done once I get to my pc.

Just thought that these are interesting.
Verily.

[Vargo]

Interesting post. I wonder, what the spirits have to say by themselves?

[Xag_darklight]

I once called king vine into physical manifestation, which I used no base or nothing just seeing the spirit with my eyes right in front of me. This seems more like scrying without a medium but anyways, I Just let them take any form the wish but the rule is that they must appear in my physical vision.

This is one of the few times that the spirit appeared like it’s described in the goetia. Vine appeared as a huge angry lion with a red hue, despite the fierce appearance vine had an angelic and calm voice.

I already knew which ancient gods he maybe associated with (Ancient Egypt: maahes, Sumeria: ugallu, speculation- Hindu: narasimha) and I asked him if he is really connected with them ( but asked specifically for maahes and narasimha) which vine replied:

Maahes, Narasimha are names which the deluded call me

Not sure how to take this awnser, could be many ways.

Then I asked why is he associated with storms, lions and wars and I got first the impression like someone rolling his eyes thinking “wtf are you asking” or an ehhh before uttering clairaudically something like:
“Mankind basically threw these association at me, in so doing I feed from them” ( I don’t remember exactly what he said lol) this is something that other magicians seem to agree on, that the spirits are neutral but humanity “paints” them with attributes.

I later confirmed that this was the real deal by requesting a sum of money which he delivered next day, and I was left in spiritual Ecstasy and bliss.

Nevertheless, I was left in owe after this Evocation and I am very excited to start working with him on August.

[Xag_darklight]

@Xag_darklight

Glasya labolas is a little more complicated, because some other spellings will be variations of these two themes.
1: connecting Glasya+ labalas together as one word and have alternative spellings
2: labolas
If labolas stands out then Glasya must be more like a title or prefix. Another spirit who is a Prince or king that accompanies paimon may be connected to him. The accompanying king of paimon is named labal. So Glasya labolas be a prefix to that king?

Glasya Labolas is probably one of the most interesting spirits that i did not worked with but i am studying this spirit.

alternative names: Glasya-Labolas(also known as Caacrinolaas, Caassimolar, Classyalabolas, Glassia-labolis, Glasya Labolas or Gaylos-Lobos

purport on some of the names
Caacrinolaas: this name falls upon in the first category of the variotions of this spirit. If we make one little change in that name plus clearing repeating letters we are left with: Carcinolas
carcinolas would mean something like The Cancerous One in greek which is interesting given the baneful aspect of this spirit.

Gaylos-Lobos: sounds as greek as you can go. another interesting fact: Gay Is one of the old book names of beelzebub, i wonder if they are connected

[Xag_darklight]

Gremory

a spirit that is said to manifest as an armed woman riding a camel. this not my UPG, But according to one blog post, the author asked her if she was connected to any ancient deity which gremory replied with hints that she is the hindu goddess Momai Maa

source: Evoking Gremory, the Great Duke – Between The Pillars

Doubts& Skeptism:
Since gremory said I have also been venerated by the Japanese as Rias Gremory, which is close to my Goetic form”. and the author probably is an huge anime fan, then the spirit knew about that mental impression upon the practiuoner, with this knowledge. it doesnt do any good filling her blogpost with anime pictures.
Plus: The answer is Momai Maa. A Hindu goddess from the Indian state of Rajasthan. (FYI, where I live is a 6 hour drive from there) but anyway, expect the anime thing, i found this interesting and worthy of being noticed.

[Xag_darklight]

@Xag_darklight

Ipos

other names: Aiperos, Ayperos, Ayporos, Ipes.

yep, defenetly sounds like greek.
if we add a “s” in aiperos then we have “aisperos” and then replace “ai” with “e” (ai in greek results in an “eh” sound rather than “eee”, another case is that the “ai” may be pronounced as “aee” which is another grammatical rule in greek but since i only found english spelling of this spirit i cannot found the character that differentes “eh” and “aee”, so we go with “eh”) then we have “esperos” which means “evening star” which is a title of lucifer.

[RavenClaw]

Very interesting and useful information here. Thanks for sharing

[Xag_darklight]

Thank you very much

[Andy_Cakes]

I just wanted to add that there are times when 2 or more entities will seem like the same being and even answer to the same name. This is because many share similar attributes amongst other things.
Hence the infamous quote,
“I am Legion”

[Xag_darklight]

Interesting there is a couple entities in the goetia like this.

Beleth to Berith

Asmodeus to amdukias ( according to S.Connoly, it is in one of the tomes of the anthology of sorcery where she states amdukias is one of the heads of the Three headed Asmodeus)

Malphas and Halthas, another name od halthas is Malthus. Out of the two, Malphas seems the one who bears more weight and according to Vk Jehannum there is lore behind Malphas and Andras and he says Andras is Malphas father.

[Xag_darklight]

@Xag_darklight

Malphas and Halthas, another name od halthas is Malthus. Out of the two, Malphas seems the one who bears more weight and according to Vk Jehannum there is lore behind Malphas and Andras and he says Andras is Malphas father.

Both malthas, Halthas and Andras are bird deities, so are Goetic bird demons connected? Maybe.

One of the upg impression that I got from that vine encounter is that marbas, sabnock and vine are connected too. There’s other Lion deities in the goetia (purson, buer, vapula) but I do not feel any intuition for them. But we Will see on August.

[Xag_darklight]

@Xag_darklight

other names: Aiperos, Ayperos, Ayporos, Ipes.

yep, defenetly sounds like greek.
if we add a “s” in aiperos then we have “aisperos” and then replace “ai” with “e” (ai in greek results in an “eh” sound rather than “eee”, another case is that the “ai” may be pronounced as “aee” which is another grammatical rule in greek but since i only found english spelling of this spirit i cannot found the character that differentes “eh” and “aee”, so we go with “eh”) then we have “esperos” which means “evening

I think I found Ipos past indentity.

Ipy (goddess)

Ipy. For the similarities of their names and appearance since ipos the demon manifests as a combination of numerous other beasts which is suspiciously reminisced to goddess ipy appearance.

[Andy_Cakes]

This is a great subject to explore.
THere is great significance and power in words & especially names when uncovered by etymology. We can find many truths otherwise unknown such as Lineage, abilities, strengths & weaknesses just to name a few VIA etymological studies.

[Xag_darklight]

Indeed brother there is many instances like this in the goetia. I am passionate about this aspect of Demonology and I ought to uncover it. Thanks for your appreciation!

[Xag_darklight]

@Xag_darklight

Vine: it Literally means a sort of ancient war machine back in the day. Vine maybe derived from a similar spirit found on an older book which his name is royne But vine as a spirit is connected to a lioness war Storm goddess which makes sense to me even why vine is named after a war machine.

Royne.
The name is first found in 1500’s book which is written in french. Although royne is given the rank of an earl the name royne means queen. Later there is the demonic king vine. Makes sense?

Maahes is a female lion goddess too, so there is connections
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/royne

This is what the demonic king Vine is based off


The Roman war machine Vinea which is more like an ancient armoured personnel carrier (APC)

[Xag_darklight]

Forneus

The nature of his name is obvious Latin and greek. Forneus appears as a sea monster similar to leviathan and his name is thought to be derived from the latin Fornus which means furnace which we can draw the parallel of a being who is the furnace of hell or a hell mouth which this concept is close to leviathan himself.

Today I was studying Cypriot antiquity and I found about an unknown god who went by an epithet that is “φωνιευς” the epithet was never mentioned before in any Hellenic texts so it’s meaning is unknown. Only inscriptions of this god is found on the ancient cite of kourion that is only 10km from my house. The local god of kourion is appolon so this could be an preciously unknown title of Apollo but no one is sure.

There is a lot of examples that when you can a being only by a tittle it acts like it’s own being. Examples such is Baal Berith and Berith. Beleth too, Beleth literally means lady which is an to the goddess astarte. And Abaddon-apolloyon, apollyon literally means destroyer in greek os does Abaddon in Hebrew. Appoloyon is a title of Apollo.

My points are:

Forneus has a clear name , but not a clear god origin.
Could be derived from furnace.

But isn’t it more plausible to be originated from a title that belonged to an actual god rather than a fucking furnace?

The title literally misses an “R” in the middle of the word and here you have it, Forneus!

Additionally, forneus is a demon of speech, linguistics and of divination the article says

“stood for the word attested in the epics φωνήεις (“the god is endowed with speech and thus oracular”)

Forneus second attribute is of friendship and bringing people together

[Xag_darklight]

Sabnock Etymology

Analysis of the etymology of the name of sabnock. The name is 100 percent Hebrew in nature. And probably means something like “to draw/focus anger” which makes sense.

Dispute some mainstream takes, Sabnac is not Sobek. I attribute Sabnac as the Ancient Egyptian and Nubian god Mekhet which is more closely closely attributed to him.

For the reasons:

War and fierce in character.
Lion headed
Lunar instead of solar, contrary to Vine.

[theheirophant]

@Xag_darklight

Forneus has a clear name , but not a clear god origin.

Forneus has a VERY clear god(dess) origin. Forneus is a description of the Greek Olympian goddess Ἑστία (Hestia), who was known in Rome first as Fornax, and later as Vesta.

Ἑστία means ‘hearth’ and is a synonym of φούρνος, which means ‘oven.’ The hearth of the prytaneum functioned as her official sanctuary. You still see this at the Olympics when the torch is lit to start the games.

Hestia/Vesta’s astrological subcorrespondences are Mercury and Virgo. Her Roman holidays were the Fornacalia and Fordicidia, and later the Vestalia (7 – 15 June).

I work with her from time to time, she’s great.

@Xag_darklight

Forneus appears as a sea monster similar to leviathan

That description is astronomical. The sea monster is the constellation Cetus, south of Pisces.

Forneus is related to the modern constellation Fornax, which is located between Cetus and Eridanus. The stars in Fornax may or may not link to Forneus for direct spiritual work. I personally think she links to some of the stars in Virgo including Spica, but don’t quote me on that.

[Xag_darklight]

Amazing thank you for these valuable pieces of information!

@Xag_darklight

Additionally, forneus is a demon of speech, linguistics and of divination the article says

“stood for the word attested in the epics φονευς (the god is endowed with speech and thus oracular”)

What do you think about this from the original article Found here:

Old inscriptions, new readings: a god for the Rantidi sanctuary in ...

At paragraph 8.

I still think that it is an interesting similarity taking into account the phonetics and Forneus abilities as a linguistic demon.

[Xag_darklight]

Beleth – Bolfry – berith Connection

Connolly in her book Daemonic Necromancy claims that necromancers believe that Beleth is the same being as Bolfry. Keep in mind that Berith has two alternative necromantic names thus being Be’al and Bolfry. I knew already early on that Beleth did indeed had an death aspect as Belet-Seri in the mesopotamian tradition which she served ther role of an underworld scribe and was both an tittle and an independent being derived from asrattum.

Personally, its the first time that I see this interesting piece of information being pointed out and never heard of it before had.
In my personal experience with both aspects of Berith (Beale and Bolfry) I found that they are all connected and derived from the central being berith, these two alterative seem to serve different purposes. I never found that bolfry is connected with beleth, I knew the death aspect of beleth without an alternative name but instead with the form of an red haired Banshee. finally, I am ought to discount that claim but it is noteworthy.

thus being said, I shall conduct a deeper research upon bolfry and beal. I had worked with them separately and know their functions in my personal pathworking.

a deeper research will be aslo conducted upon berith’s even lesser known aspect as a decan in the testament of Solomon as Alleberoth. so far my research upon alleberoth shown me that berith and alleberoth are connected by two main ways: name and Alligment.

I supposed to work with Vine during this time, but I promised beleth to write the most knowledgble book on her and her related spirits. I done good work with Gaap and the moderate with the field marshal as personal pathworking and Lore manner.

berith on the other hand, there still work to do.