Should I stay away from Christian friend or I can hangout with him?

Damn, that’s rough. It sounds like one of those situations that won’t be fixed with direct argument. He’s going through a really tough time and his spiritual trip is probably the only thing that feels positive.

Aside from spellwork, maybe you could bend the conversation toward some deep philosophical questions. Where does he stand on the question “Do numbers exist?” or “What is beauty?”

If you’ve been friends since you were kids, a month or two apart won’t really destroy your friendship. He might just need to work stuff out. Getting a job would sap a lot of energy and bring him back to real life, so maybe help that happen.

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On the one hand he might really believe he’s trying to help you, that concept goes deep and he has millenia of social proof he’s right and a whole culture founded on the idea of looking out for people and that Christianity is the baseline to which we compare other things.

But it does seem like he’s using this to plaster over the cracks.

if you can separate how much is you wanting to put your beliefs in him, you’ll be able to come at this cleanly, but people often get a bit enthused about a new thing, whatever it is, then slowly they integrate it when it fails to solve all life’s problems (unless it actually does, but very few philosophies will for most people) and settle back to a balanced state, keeping what works and discarding what doesn’t.

You can help him out by maybe having a chat about how faith comes from within, you’re glad he’s foind this and it’s making sense and you’ll certainly keep an open mind, BUT, at the same time because faith can’t be faked can he please just lay off in your presence.

That respects he thinks he’s saving you from literal eternity in hell, he’s just trying to be a good mate in some ways, though he also probably subconsciously needs to get people to join him so he feels affirmed in this radical new worldview.

Or, tell him outright, you aren’t at a point where this is making sense and can he please dial it down.

IMO if you cut him loose, you’re handing him over to deeper immersion, though it may become necessary for your own wellbeing later, if you can avoid it, he’ll probably come down at some point, and be glad to have a friend outside it all.

That’s just some thoughts, hard to say without really knowiung the personalities involved, but remember no religious person is consciously trying to fuck with you, they truly do think what they’re doing is right.

That’s why these book cults with a perfected man or perfect way of life are so fucking toxic, they don’t just help a person cope with life, they actively mandate forcing the ideas on other people… :roll_eyes:

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@SilenceLover
The Apostle Paul or Peter mentioned something about “snatching their souls out the fire” and “delivering them unto Satan himself if they are resistant”…

I am twisting this around in a more adversarial way of course…

Evoke Satan and deliver your friend unto him. Basically Commit your friendship with said friend into the Hands of Satan.

If its meant, you will find he will ease up on you and start asking you questions out of genuine curiosity about what you do. At this point, feel free to show him Demon Magic, how to open sigils, etc

Fuck! Teach him the principles of Evocation for Example so he can have the power to Decide for himself whether this is real or not and who he will serve (Ascend through).

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If it aint meant, He will be destroyed by his own ignorance. And you will go through the fire Unscathed.

Of course, being the Adversary, Satan keeps connections with People (even complete morons) if it advances his purpose and also for said morons eventual development and ascension.

Keep that in mind. Your friend will be of great benefit later on.

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Thats completely 180° different advice compared to what i normally say (kill all christians!!) but hey, thats the Adversary in me i guess

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See if this wonderful Daemon will help your friend.

At the very least he can sheild you from prayers sent to you that could interfere with anything you are doing.

Trying to avoid Christians is going to leave you very lonely, those critters are everywhere, and we are social creatures so being a hermit in the name of your own religion would not be healthy.

But perhaps the lovely Duke can get your bud to chill out a bit.

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Just roll with him, what’s the problem. If he is your childhood friend, then the least you can do is tolerate a bit of nonsensical crap from your buddy. At least it is funny, as you indicated. Losing valuable friends over small things like this isn’t wise.

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Agreed.

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@Lady_Eva @Micah @JezebelleMoon @Gitana7 appreciate all of your suggestions guys yea I can assure you that you wouldn’t be able to handle logical debate with this brain washed fear system, The dude’s literally quoting so many lines from the Bible trust me you would have go crazy too sometimes he is fun sometimes he is coming in a mood to criticize me and make me a full paragraph of preach.

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I don’t logically debate with many people.

Do what you deem best.

i think your friend is using religion as a coping mechanism because he´s jobless, and you know how church always emphasizes the gospel of prosperity and how having faith will resolve all your problems, maybe you could talk to your friend, saying that he shouldn´t be overtly religious whenever you both are talking to each other

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If you love him in any way; stay with him. You can be a balancing, stabilizing influence in his life; an alternative perspective and “reality check”. Such friends are worth more than gold and can mean the difference between life and death. But keep your own needs in mind as well. If he starts hurting or harming your own well being in any way, back off. Perhaps work on your own depolarization; the LBRP and Middle Pillar ritual are excellent for this. You’ll find that after a while, your own depolarized influence will rub off on others, including your friend, and help to bring him back to a more psycho - spiritually balanced state.

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Honestly if he opened my car door with an adversarial attitude I’d tell him, we’re not chilling today. I’ll talk to you when you respect me.
He needs to understand he is being selfish and disrespectful. It’s not easy to get that concept through but maybe not being able to hang out with you would open his eyes a crack.

I agree with Micah, have a Daemon intervene for this guy, he needs it. He needs those walls broken down he has up or he’ll destroy himself.

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Simple approach, that doesn’t really require any action: ask him to stop
Doesn’t stop: cut him off
Does stop and respects you: be his friend if you want to.

In all honesty it doesn’t require magickal action.

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Every time you friend start preaching Christianity (whether alone or with a group) ask him this question, “Are you trying to drive people away from Christ?”

Then however he answers that question You tell him,“Well you sure as hell are are acting like it. Don’t you know that proselytizing to people is the biggest reason people leave Christianity because it’s such disrespectful and obnoxious behavior. If you really are Christian you’ll live your faith instead of verbally pistol whipping people with your beliefs. If you really believed you would actually live your faith instead of being a hot air bag.”

I’ve seen the most obnoxious proselytizers become completely tongue tied, they won’t know what the fuck to say.
You just keep repeating the same thing and eventually he’ll get tired and he will shut up.

Another thing you can tell him is this, “Do you really think that God is so petty and childishly cruel to throw people into everlasting hell just because we don’t kiss his ass? What kind of God is that?”

Anyway I’ve seen so many people turned into bipolar ping pong balls by Evangelical Christianity.

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I like this advice right here, from @Demeter

If you use magick to bring him to your side of things, then you are no better than him because you will be, in essence, forcing your beliefs onto him, especially if, as some people have suggested, you sic a demon on him to “open his mind.” How is that any different than him trying to sic Christ on you?

If he is truly a good friend, then simply asking him to stop proselytizing at you because you are not interested should be sufficient. Asking him to respect your own beliefs shouldn’t be difficult if you really are friends. If he refuses or doesn’t seem to get it, then drop him from your life. As @Fallen_Angel said, this situation doesn’t require magical intervention, just basic human communication.

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The friendship based on respect is a good friendship, if you respect your friend on his christianity Belives he has to do the same, if not leave it for a time o give him a time to get reflexive ( if he can) but be careful with religon fanatics.
my own experience i leave some of my childhood friends cause the friendship is take me to a dark hole so i better leave these friendship no cause i hate them o bla bla bla cause i have to walk my own path like them like everybody do in there lifes.

If still appreciate him and he appreciate you then change the tópic of conversation every time when he start talking about religon o try to be sincer with him and put some limits for the good future of frienship if he dont change then leave it maybe with time the things got change but first try to comunícate how you feel o how he make you feel when you are with him if he dosent understand then pass.

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There’s this idea we’re the sum of the 5 people we spend the most time with… if he really is brain-wasted and prone to losing his shit, maybe a little distance, without making it about his Jesus thing, is in order?

Work on finding new people?

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I thought about it some more. If he truly is a friend he will respect your beliefs. If he is unable to respect your spiritual beliefs it is unfortunate but you may have to distance yourself from him.

If he continues to disrespect your religious beliefs after distancing your self from him you may need to drop his friendship. Although you can always leave the door open to his friendship if he ever comes to his senses.

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Well I would say talk to him about it saying you have your views and I have mine, he might be thinking cramming thinks into people’s heads is the right way to go about but it’s not it causes people to get annoyed/turn away.

But just talk with him about it

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