Lucifer says he didn’t follow Yahweh’s command at all. God = Yahweh, in the traditional sense, which is a part of the Big Lie. No. Lucifer serves the Source who created him. Source isn’t Yahweh.
Satan is a conglomerate of spirits, various adversaries. Lucifer is an enemy (satan) of ignorance.
Thats possibly the reason why Lucifer intervered when Satan was proposing me possession . Its not the first time and before 4 months I had impresion of Satan “fighting” with Lucifer for me which sone people responded as bulshit. So what do you think?
I asked him via a lucid dream and he said he is both Satan and Lucifer. He told me he is an ancient God with many names and many masks given to him by humans.
I make a comparison from experience as I have not work with either.
What I can comment is how they are depicted in texts, mainly from the Hebrew side of things. Lucifer is understood less as an actual being but an adjective to describe someone who is as bright as the morning star. It is also refers to a king who fell from power. To become like lucifer would therefore becoming a person of power who brings hope to the masses, only to fall in the end.
Satan, on the other hand, is a job of one who not only tempts but tries to argue that a person is not righteous (whether to God or to the community, if the Satan in question is a person accusing another for wrong doing). It is credited to multiple spirits, although the role of the one who stands in defiance of god as an active enemy was given to Beliar (aka Belial) in later writings. Samuel is not a far comparison either as he was the first angel to fall for not bowing to Adam, before the fall of the watchers.
That being said people here obviously interact with spirits who call themselves or are identified as such, so I would not hold lore too tightly. It is a valuable tool to see how people in the past perceived them, but it should not rule your own experience. So, I would recommend evoking both and see what you come up with.
As far as my sources for the information I mentioned, it stems from Baal Kadmon’s “Ghosts, Demons and Devils in the Hebrew Tradition” with some back research into his sources within the Torah, the Dead Sea scrolls and the apocrypha.
Honestly, I get tired of the dogmatic/doctrinal Hebrew approach to this like they are the all-masters of lore on the topic. I’m going to say I don’t really care how they came to be. From my existential point they exist as I see fit. If they want to prove otherwise, strike me down, drag me to some hell be it a GOD (stupid name), Satan, Lucifer, Jesus, whatever then I must say its lame, pathetic, and an utter was of time.
In fact, I doubt they give a crap or pay much heed. Honestly, if there is a judgment then whatever can bring it but I’ll just say GUILTY of existing, kick their crappy judgment scale over and smack the being in the proverbial face with it and its retarded guards. Don’t recall existing before so being erased is hardly a concern. I’m so tired of the judgment lies from religion and the man-made heaven/hell absolution guide. Its crap. Man made it up to control others. That opinion won’t change and if… big motherfucking IF… that’s true that there is a judgment, then my decision stands and I won’t be a hypocrite. I also wont’ exist in a afterlife with continued fucking man-made control. And if that is how god is… fuck existing. FUCK IT!
As I said, it is a tool to examine how people of the past perceived these spirits, much like how you have your own now, not something one should base their experience on. It is useful only as a way to provoke thought and possibly immersion for their own Gnosis. And it can be kinda interesting to see how ideas and how these spirits have been perceived on the greater scale, if it is something you are interested in.
Some of the stories are down right amusing, like the story of how Asmodeus threw Solomon out of the temple and made himself king as a response to essentially being kidnapped and dragged to Jerusalem (who did it because the demon was not available when solomon called him)
Try to evoke him once or work with him… You will find out yourself that the story about the Babylonian king is just another Hoax brought into the world. His powers and what he can do cannot be described in a few words. I even did an Angelic ritual with more than one Angels and he was in the lead… Such as you can do Demonic workings.
I also think, in my opinion, it is one being
but switches personalities something like
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
( I mean as an example of personality I’m not writing that they are bad )
I have it from my experience
it shows me the name Satan and Lucifer sigil
he also have the same voice and feel of his energy
the same
(when I evocation Lucifer with his sigil and enn etc…the same energy, way of speaking, tone of voice
even though ,I thought about Satan in others time and day, I felt the same energy)
just my opinion
Some say lucifer Is feminine like a wombman in nature but i ses it as has strong feminine energy considering the energies and iva had no contact that i can think of really … i just feel its quite possible… i appreciate your input throigh this thread incorrect or not fully some resonates for me
So you feel they are notnonly different but enemies, i heard Yahweh is Title and there was one chosen Yahweh that is agreeable … but also that alotnof these names are titles Thoth , Arc Angel Micheal etc.it gets deep when considered i mean its deep already , but that could mean some with the title disagreeablenature or some are agreeble in mayure and some are nuetral…
You think they are alike ? I looked in the website joy of satan definitely i knew some things was definitely off and in contradiction. I feel there is a difference and they are not the same individual or Beings…