Are Raziel and 72 angels of shemhamphorash really JCI related ?
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All angels are older than JCI, so no.
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Where can i find info on legions working under Michael and Gabriel and Raphael. there is Razielâs legions.
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The forumâs search function is a start. You can also use google (just remember to spell magick with a âkâ, otherwise youâll get results for Magic the Gathering, which is a trading card game).
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There are no Spirit related to anything. They stand out alone, like atom.
A spirit worshipped and saluted under the name X, seen as evil and terror, and great god in a certain region; is known and saluted as K in another region, and gentle and loving god to them.
No angel or any class of Spirit relate to anything. Whatever you are, whomever youâre, whatever you do, if you want their attention they will answer you, except you donât know how to get to them.
These beings have been existing before the human tradition JCI came into existence.
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What do you mean JCI?
Judeo christian Islamic
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I see so what angels are you invoking instead?
i did a ritual from archangels of magick : ladder of ascent. so far small results
i guess i have to wait. Raziel and metatron are among the archangels in that ritual. i did it anyway.
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I sort of suspect all angels are of that current. The invocations words in 72 angels of magick are the Psalms in Hebrew. I think also that most of these Demons also do come in some ways from JCI origins. Many were mentioned in the Bible, or if not usually from the Goetia which is from King Solomon. Sort of what I was trying to tell you when we met, is this is probably and okay current to start with but we might like to go out side of that. Invoking pagan deities like those in Hindu or European origin for instance, might be good, I donât know if I mentioned that specifically to you yet, but that is why I was suggesting that we become interested in thought form creation. By doing this we have our own deities essentially, they wonât be able to start out as powerful but they would be ours.
In trying to avoid JCI currents that is the only real complete safe way. Letâs say for example that angels and demons are just powerful thought forms, perhaps even versions of the great mono theistic God is a thought forms in some way. So Sigh I bet you donât particularly like Mohammed and I myself am far from a big fan, but I think this was his intention behind having no images for Allah, I think he thought this would have people avoid creating a false image of God and creating a thought form of God.
But letâs continue on the premise that they are all just thought forms and servitor creations. Okay so maybe we can go to euro Paganism to get away from this current. Well it is interesting isnât it how many of the old Pagan God statues and things have been taken over and declared the images of Saints. Even with Abbadon for what ever reason people are claiming him to be the same as Kali, Shiva and Apollo.
So you see this is in some ways in Islam, for example back when Turkey was Christian it had all these Churches but when taken over the Churches werenât destroyed and replaced with mosques, no you know what they do instead right? They just took over the churches and turned them into Mosques.
Why destroy the spiritual energy that others have built when you can just take over it and use it for yourself? Sort of thing. People were talking on Hindu Gods on the Forum trying to say they were the same as Demons or JCI figures etc.
Itâs almost like a magickal conspiracy you canât get a way from. I was trying to tell people but they didnât seem to want to listen. Thought form creation maybe like starting a social network from scratch but it maybe, in theory, not just some side show chaos magick element of magick but may be the in tire Quantum physics behind working with Deities and maybe close to all magick, well, there is always the moon. But in this sense it might not just be this fringe magick idea, but a spiritual path to true salvation and ascent, dare I say.
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They have been existing before the Psalm.
No Spirit has origin from any sect or religion. Religion is man made. They have been existing before JCI of a thing.
And the Demons donât come from JCI origin just because they were mentioned in the Bible. There are books older than Bibles, no religion relating, and there names are there.
They have no attachment to anything of such. They have no boundaries. These are Spirits that has been existing since the days of Adam and Eve. How then can they be JCI related?
This world of religion is just CONFUSION.
Also, in the days of Solomon, there is no such thing as JCI. Jews are sons of Jacob.
The truth is that no Angel are of that current.
The Orisha called Oshun, is a great poweful Angel, but who knows that? She has a name,
though well known as Oshun, because the lady who was carrying the water around then before turning to a river was called by that name. But if a mage would call her forth, we only need her real name not the âOshunâ.
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The invocations words are the pslams in Hebrew you can close your eyes and deny that fact but it is fact whether or not they have existed before is irrelevant, though if the invocations are the psalms itself, it seems strange and sloppy for an non tf spirit, and the psalms in Hebrew DOES increase their presence.
Everything else is your opinion. You canât prove one way or another where they did or didnât come from and of course people are going to want to fight to believe what they had been believing in for a long time.
My theory is sound and rather irrefutable, BUT⌠I will admit⌠just a theory.
PS
Maybe you can prove the stream of tfâs or spirits came before JCI but you havenât as of such.
But even then it would be hard to say it didnât come from thought form astral magick , let alone of the same tribe that created the old testament. It could have started in Babylon or earlier.
That is what the authors placed down, I call them without anything of sort, and so can you. Beside I donât know the book youâre talking about nor have I read it and I donât have interest. Really, no offense.
But thinking one straight way because a book say soâŚ
Well, I understand you. Thatâs alright.
I can call them without the book, though it does feel a little dogmatically counter intuitive I will admit. The fact is the invocation words or psalms in Hebrew does increase the presence.
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No, bro. Itâs all ideas of human. U should know that Christians are among those who translated or prepared this books? So they have erased many things from it, trying to tie people to their Christian faith, lest they change course to the Old Days of the Hebrew ways.
I read a book of black magic, that was where i gained the idea to make my altar. I changed everything written to names of Angels, not inverted pentagram.
So now, someone should be thinking it has been that one way of making it. But I dedicated my altar to the works white magic, i changed many words in the dark way of making an altar.
Nothing increase any Spirits presence. I called Spirits that are knowledgeable and asked this things not just my view or what writers of book says.
I make the Solomonic Pentacle on A4 paper, and use herbs to strengthen or activate it, I donât do any of the ceremonies in the book. Or even write the words in Hebrew.
Itâs as simple as that.
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Itâs in this Altar I stay, no circle or anything to summon forth angry Spirits, and they would obey without any terror. I call Spirits into physical manifestation, and I donât know about evocation.
I donât say the invocation words= less presence
I do say them = more presence.
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Lol donât worry, I hear ya. But I tell ya, I donât do any vocation, and they have always been appearing in full form.
Letâs close this, please.
Different experience.
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Sounds good, but easier said than done. lol
If you never done it, how do you know you donât experience more?
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