Those of you who follow the Qayinite tradition, did anyone deviate from the suggested materials for ensouling their shrine?
I ask because Iāve seen some say that theyāve substituted certain things such as the human bone powder for powder from animal bones as well as chose to substitute the sacrifice for something else. I was just curious what the effects where such as backlash or lack of potency from the rituals?
I feel itās best with this type of thing to follow instructions until a deeper direct communication is established. The potency of the workings though are pretty individual.
I have the books, was very excited to get into the current only to find it requires Blackthorn for damn near everything. While its very common in the EU and the east coast of the US, it doesnāt grow in California. I asked for help from them for a possible replacement common in Cali, but not luck. I suppose that it isnāt a current for me as no substitute was intuited through meditation. So, expensive books sit on the shelf unused.
Why do you not utilize the internet?
I like your āJust do itā attitude. I guess my dilemma is that the collection of the Blackthorn as you well know requires certain offerings.
Iām really sad this post is SO old, I donāt even know why Iām commenting on it. Gosh, I just noticed with a quick search of the forum that the qayinitic tradition is only mentioned in a few posts in the entire history of the forum. It seems like Iām the only devout current 218 necromancer on this site. I doubt youāll ever come back to read this @Serell but please god never use a Santa muerte statue for Qayin. Donāt compare them. Theyāre not comparable. Qayinās grimoires mention Senor la Muerte NOT Santa Muerte. Those are 2 different entities from 2 different cultures, but even then Senor La Muerte still is not the left handed reaper. āWell theyāre both depicted as a grim reaper, so theyāre the same duuur huuuurā first off, eww. Secondly, no. Just no. Qayin is Qayin. The left handed reaper is not the Mexican saint of death. And not the Argentinan saint of death either. Praying to Santa Muerte on a post about current 218, I mean really? Why do dabblers do this?
2182 is not a public Current. Only a solitary work in silence 
This is true. I just donāt like when dabblers crap all over my craft by tossing Qayin in with other deities and saying stuff about my craft that isnāt true.
Zammazo Emoot Zaraqaen Baaltzelmoth
Qayin Rex Mortis 
Awesome to see someone actually reading older posts, there were a lot of really cool experimental things posted in the early days. 
I think the un-wisdom of syncretisation is covered here pretty thoroughly by Serell:
That saidā¦
Iām generally really annoyed by slapdash syncretisation, itās one of monotheismās less likeable after-effects that people think āless is betterā and also, try to reduce everything down into being basic qualities, and not possessing individuality.
Even in the Santa Muerte currents there is many different ways so itās not wise to mix them. The public tradition love to āwesternizeā everything so it give much confusion but in fact Santa Muerte is more primordial, more ancient(she is death goddess) than the catholic system. There is a full sorcery system with Her.
The current 218 of the Liber Falxifer is also a great one very powerful since the liber falxifer books give a self initiatory path.
Confusion come from the shape of the statue but it can hold very different current within. This is the same for cemetery workings, same death place many path to work with it.
I couldnāt have said it better myself. I find it very annoying too. Randomly throwing deities together because āoh sheās a grim reaper too, theyāre the same! DUUUUUR!ā Is just retarded imo.
Very powerful indeed. It can be very unstable in the wrong hands. Thatās why I always say my path isnāt for everyone. Itās only for a select few tbh. A select few who truly understand what the current 218 is and respect its raw power. The left handed reaper Qayin is depicted as a reaper but synchronizing him with other reaper spirits is foolish and dumb. First off: Santa Muerte = female, Qayin = male. Also Santa Muerte is a saint, Qayin is no saint. He murdered his brother. Heās the first murderer and the first Satanist. Witch father and father of the serpent blood. Heās worshipped by outcasts. The very foundation of current 218 is anti cosmic antinomianism. Everything I just explained is the exact opposite of Saint Death Santa Muerte. Being a follower of Qayin is necromancy in its most purest form. Worshipping saint death Santa Muerte however is not necromancy.
Interesting I was about to start that some time soon too!
I just read your part here L.Jade - I guess that Santa Muerte will do or not do what she deems necessary to bring any aid or information in regard with any other pathworking - as any spirit would do, one could safely assume.
Realistically spoken, I noticed that when doing pathworkings, I always need other particular spirits for other situations, so I am obliged to work with lots of spirits depending on what I need.
However I know that this is not advised in all cases, sometimes spirits say āwork only with me for x amount of time, for exampleā (for example, azazel would say that at some point in certain situations) - E.A. for example still works with other spirits for his bootcamps and other custom rituals, while doing his current gatekeepers pathworkings, for example. It just depends what spirits say, but, itās super important to be able to hear or acquire the right info from them.
That being said, I have been advised by a spirit to work with the beings of the Liber Falxifer, at a certain pointā¦; Would you say it is, even as a stand-alone book enough , as a complete system in itself? What are your views on it overall?
Yes @Hermes it is a complete system. My views on Qayin and the current 218 should be obvious. Iām a devout follower of Qayin. I felt like some light needed to be shed on this tradition so I made a post about it here:
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I didnāt read the whole book yet, but isnāt Liber Falxifer a syncretization of San La Muerte with Qayin? If they are two different entities mixing of which is not good, then their practices should be strictly separated? Cult of Qayin looks quite interesting, but whatās about its background? I mean both theoretical and practical stuff. Why and how Qayin became a necromancer?
Also I met book of Liber Falxifer in search of San La Muerte initially. Not interested in catholic thing about him or luciferian/satanic understanding. Are there any english/spanish books that cover more advanced working with San La Muerte and his South American similars then described in Liber Falxifer?
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I have found answers to all my questions about Qayin in the book. 
N.A-A.218ās necrosophy is really interesting and perspective direction, and it is luciferian for sure. Iām also still interested in more advanced guides to San La Muerte and his South American similars. If somebody knows some authors and titles it would be cool to post them.