After certain experiences, it came to my mind the idea that I should initiate in the Qlippoth, more especifically the Qlippoth of Nehemoth, Gamaliel, Thagirion and Thaumiel. I know that the Qlippoth are very personal in nature, but I wanted to ask you to share some of your experiences with these Qlippoth so I can get a general idea of what the Qlippoth might teach me.
Someone I know has an interesting view on the qlippoth and how it relates to the sephiroth, he wrote up a paper on it and it’s interesting. He allowed me to share it with other people, so if you want to read it, pm me and when I get home I will send you it.
Ever since I started in this path and immersing myself in studies, the more I find the Qlippith to be a sneaky fucking way to be indoctrinated with almost Judeo-Christian/Modern Gnostic ideologies. Even the “darkest” grimoires seem to be just a response to Christianity and mimic the Masonic doctrines.
Don’t follow the currents or trends of Western magick based on Jewish Kabbalah like working with both Trees and with Angels and Demons or believing demiurge -YHVH is the highest deity. For me, Qliphoth is not (broken) parts of the Sephiroth, in fact they are entirely separate from them.
Have you looked into the ONA? Their whole mythos is constructed expressly to get away from the perverting influence of Judeo-Christian ideology, or what they term the “Magian” doctrine. Instead of the Sephiroth or the Qliphoth they use something called the Tree of Wyrd, which has only 7 spheres as opposed to 10 or 11, and they claim this can be traced back historically to much earlier than any Kabbalistic systems.
Worth a look in my opinion–just keep in mind their political goals involve bringing down all of Western civilization, so they tend to espouse Neo-Nazism, Islamic extremism, and human sacrifice as a means to an end.
When I see that “downfall” is the underlying goal, it just reminds me of the “dark” side of alchemy, where the ultimate goal is to bring gnosis through misery and suffering. To drive people to their lowest to force them to “unite” and cling to an ideal
this same construct is illustrated (no pun) perfectly in the “watchmen” graphic novel. Human sacrifice. Breaking some eggs.
Nationalism + religion = every fucking problem we facenow.
Perhaps the best source for this is your own intuition once separated from the petty noise and clamor of mundane civilization. The ONA’s Grade Ritual of Internal Adept consists of living alone in the wilderness for 3 to 6 months for a reason:
And this quote by Aristotle (who to my knowledge was not an ONA member ) hints at much the same:
He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god.