I have two questions. The 1st one deals with “opening & charging spirits”. I don’t know how many of you are experienced in opening & charging sigils, but my question is:
Will opening & charging a particular spirit’s sigil give the same effect magickally as if one was evoking that particular spirit?
My second question is: Have any of you worked with the entities listed in the B.O.A.? Those who have, can you share your experience?
I’ve heard it said that in the “real world” symbols represent living people, places, events; and in the astral (imaginal) realm people, places, events, etc. are symbolic and sigils are living and real. Let’s say that the astral or subconscious is a mirror to the real objective world and everything is backwards, a symbol in the objective, physical world represents something. The mind sees the symbol and becomes “alive” in the subconscious by the elements we begin to associate with that symbol through imagination. The imagination then leads us to situations of action in the objective world. For example, the Golden Arches; it’s just a yellow “M” which symbolizes “McDonald’s”, “hamburgers”, “fries”, “happy meals”, etc. But in the imaginal realm the sigil is ALL of those things at once without the need for any of those things to be present. The symbol brings forth from it’s life the images into mind, which inspire a particular feeling, in this case either hunger… or revulsion 
and we follow a particular course of action based on focus of will, either we eat the hamburger, or drive on.
So to bring it back to your question, opening and charging a sigil has the effect of implanting it as a seed into the mind, where it can germinate and grow and begin to develop associations to bring the sigil to life in our lives. Evocation of the spirit of the sigil is symbolic of the active life of that sigil, but it only becomes alive when you embed it into the mind. I don’t know if that helps or makes any sense or not. I hope it does a little.
[quote=“invadenus, post:2, topic:50”]I’ve heard it said that in the “real world” symbols represent living people, places, events; and in the astral (imaginal) realm people, places, events, etc. are symbolic and sigils are living and real. Let’s say that the astral or subconscious is a mirror to the real objective world and everything is backwards, a symbol in the objective, physical world represents something. The mind sees the symbol and becomes “alive” in the subconscious by the elements we begin to associate with that symbol through imagination. The imagination then leads us to situations of action in the objective world. For example, the Golden Arches; it’s just a yellow “M” which symbolizes “McDonald’s”, “hamburgers”, “fries”, “happy meals”, etc. But in the imaginal realm the sigil is ALL of those things at once without the need for any of those things to be present. The symbol brings forth from it’s life the images into mind, which inspire a particular feeling, in this case either hunger… or revulsion and we follow a particular course of action based on focus of will, either we eat the hamburger, or drive on.
So to bring it back to your question, opening and charging a sigil has the effect of implanting it as a seed into the mind, where it can germinate and grow and begin to develop associations to bring the sigil to life in our lives. Evocation of the spirit of the sigil is symbolic of the active life of that sigil, but it only becomes alive when you embed it into the mind. I don’t know if that helps or makes any sense or not. I hope it does a little.[/quote]
Thanks invadenus! And yes, that helps A LOT. Makes a lot of sense and I tend to forget the simple things like the McDonald’s example you used. Companies and the like tend to use symbols for that exact purpose (which subliminally affects our mind). Thanks for your input. 
The sigils of spirits are inate until embedded in our minds through intense visualization, memorization and charging. I believe spirit sigils when activated in our minds hold all the information of what that spirit is, similar to a corporate logo. When we evoke a spirit using a charged sigil, then that spirit is a portion of what the sigil actually contains. So with the Book of Azazel, or any grimoire, the sigils themselves are the key to unlocking the information contained within it it during evocation.
Veve’s work the same way.
Thanks invadenus! Question: In the BALG e-book, EA explains how to open Veves by “Drawing with Three Hands.” This may sound like a dumb question but, after you have opened a sigil or veve…how do you “charge” it?
“Drawing with three hands”… I love that metaphor. Basically you are trying to etch it’s symbol into the mind, in this case you are using an imaginary hand to write on imaginary paper which is drawing it into the mind… Our minds work like a Mac… in graphics mode. That which you imagine vividly is uploaded onto your operating system. Charging is taking that strong visualization and adding life energy to it… energy in motion… e-motion. You raise your emotional connection to the symbol to enliven it by holding it in firm concentration during ritual… rituals that raise energy… raise emotion… like song, music, dance, candles, incense, colorful costumes… the feeling you get when you experience good theatre or opera but in ritual you are the starring role! Charging the sigil makes it come to life in your operating system… you have a new program to work with, like a new word processor, or video game, or internet connection, etc. Spirits=programs, Sigils=computer language. After charging the sigil during ritual, you can then evoke the spirit… you begin to play the game, browse the internet, type a paper out, etc. Evocation isn’t necessary for the program to be on the computer; evocation is necessary to operate the program, hence producing results… meeting people, producing information, entertainment, inspiration, and business ideas…
You are AWESOME invadenus!! Thank you so much! Your explanation is extremely helpful. Makes perfect sense. 
[quote=“GOZER, post:9, topic:50”]Hi Aurora9, …it’s Nate. I’d like to posit an answer to your question, “Will opening & charging a particular spirit’s sigil give the same effect magickally as if one was evoking that particular spirit?”
…The short answer is, Unfortunatey Not. and I will do my best to explain this through a mental diagram. Imagine 2 concentric circles, …one within another slightly larger one, like in the Circle of Pacts. Now, inside the smaller circle, let’s say that represents our physical plane, …and outside of the larger circle, let’s say that is the astral, or another plane where our collaborating spirit is. And let’s say the area in between the 2 concentric circles, is the Veil, or partition between the two said planes. Now let’s lay an Open sigil of the the Spirit right in between the 2 concentric circles, in the area we called “the Veil”. The Opened sigil by itself acts like an Opened view port on a speakeasy door. The spirit of the sigil will be able to reach through the Opened viewport, and manipulate the underlying currents that affect the physical plane, using their specific attributes. So metaphorically, it’s like he can reach his arm through the view port in the door, but what can be accomplished on our side is restricted. Now regarding Full Evocation to Marterialization: it’s like not only have you Opened the sigil (made a substantial contact through the viewport in the Door) but your have unlocked and opened the Whole door, and as you invite or call him in with your Desire, you both step forward towards another basically coming face to face with one another in the door jam (or in between the concentric circles, also known as the “Crossroads”) and after your meeting together you are also letting him All the way into your world to accomplish a task (the inside of the inner circle / the physical plane) …he is now given license to work Full Power, and not just restrictedly, reaching his arm through the tiny viewport to manipulate the currents.
…it’s brief, but I hope it helps to illustrate the difference between Sigil Magick, and the mightier effects of Evocation. ~Nate[/quote]
Hi Nate! Great illustration. Thanks a lot! I understand now, the different effects of sigil magick & evocations. Thanks so much for your input.
[quote=“GOZER, post:9, topic:50”]Hi Aurora9, …it’s Nate. I’d like to posit an answer to your question, “Will opening & charging a particular spirit’s sigil give the same effect magickally as if one was evoking that particular spirit?”
…The short answer is, Unfortunatey Not. and I will do my best to explain this through a mental diagram. Imagine 2 concentric circles, …one within another slightly larger one, like in the Circle of Pacts. Now, inside the smaller circle, let’s say that represents our physical plane, …and outside of the larger circle, let’s say that is the astral, or another plane where our collaborating spirit is. And let’s say the area in between the 2 concentric circles, is the Veil, or partition between the two said planes. Now let’s lay an Open sigil of the the Spirit right in between the 2 concentric circles, in the area we called “the Veil”. The Opened sigil by itself acts like an Opened view port on a speakeasy door. The spirit of the sigil will be able to reach through the Opened viewport, and manipulate the underlying currents that affect the physical plane, using their specific attributes. So metaphorically, it’s like he can reach his arm through the view port in the door, but what can be accomplished on our side is restricted. Now regarding Full Evocation to Marterialization: it’s like not only have you Opened the sigil (made a substantial contact through the viewport in the Door) but your have unlocked and opened the Whole door, and as you invite or call him in with your Desire, you both step forward towards another basically coming face to face with one another in the door jam (or in between the concentric circles, also known as the “Crossroads”) and after your meeting together you are also letting him All the way into your world to accomplish a task (the inside of the inner circle / the physical plane) …he is now given license to work Full Power, and not just restrictedly, reaching his arm through the tiny viewport to manipulate the currents.
…it’s brief, but I hope it helps to illustrate the difference between Sigil Magick, and the mightier effects of Evocation. ~Nate[/quote]
Great answer! I once thought the same about the difference in both techniques.
Hey,
this is sure great mental stuff, but what about sucess in daily life?
Hey JOY! We Celts & you Nordics have alot of magickal history in common, so I’m gonna put this out there as a translation:
Ever stirred a spell? Or composed a rhyme to state your purpose as a litany? Sigil magick gives much the same effect; same amount of “juice”
Ever mixed your Blood with the Wine, called the Quarters, twirled until you were breathless? Evocation.
Everything else is personal preference & semantics. Sigils & Evoking Demons is considerably faster & you don’t hafta clean up after …
But the Old Ways are very wonderful also, if you’re “into” them. I am, and I still go that route from time to time. Z
Aurora9, I worked with the sigil of Salas’ash (in BOA) - next morning I had $2,200 transferred to my account due to a sudden business transaction. I ‘repaid’ Salas’ash right away (made a pact).
I’m now working with the sigil of Etli’osh, but this one is a bit more difficult…at least for now.
There’s A LOT of activity in the house following the BOA sigil work - sparks flying through the air and exploding in the air etc.
…Then again, the book itself is very much alive…!! This morning a ‘waterfall’ of sparks came from the book, I sat up in my bed and told it to be quiet lol (upon waking up in the morning I noticed that the book and some of my clothes were covered in gray ashes).
[quote=“cloud9, post:14, topic:50”]Aurora9, I worked with the sigil of Salas’ash (in BOA) - next morning I had $2,200 transferred to my account due to a sudden business transaction. I ‘repaid’ Salas’ash right away (made a pact).
I’m now working with the sigil of Etli’osh, but this one is a bit more difficult…at least for now.
There’s A LOT of activity in the house following the BOA sigil work - sparks flying through the air and exploding in the air etc.
…Then again, the book itself is very much alive…!! This morning a ‘waterfall’ of sparks came from the book, I sat up in my bed and told it to be quiet lol (upon waking up in the morning I noticed that the book and some of my clothes were covered in gray ashes).[/quote]
Wow cloud9, thanks for sharing your experience! You are definitely right! The BOA is very much alive. When I first received the book in the mail and started reading it, I started to feel “light-headed” and saw flashes of light (even coming from the pages).
Never opened a sigil. I always thought that I would work with Angels when Evoking, and hope I still do… but when looking at the sigils and reading about the demons in BOA, I felt warm all over and and my mind turned dark and lustful for the power promised within the book, it was almost mouth watering. I closed the book and had a cup of tea. I think the book taps into whatever darkness is within you and amplifies it somewhat. Seductive is what it is!
[quote=“Aurora9, post:15, topic:50”][quote=“cloud9, post:14, topic:50”]Aurora9, I worked with the sigil of Salas’ash (in BOA) - next morning I had $2,200 transferred to my account due to a sudden business transaction. I ‘repaid’ Salas’ash right away (made a pact).
I’m now working with the sigil of Etli’osh, but this one is a bit more difficult…at least for now.
There’s A LOT of activity in the house following the BOA sigil work - sparks flying through the air and exploding in the air etc.
…Then again, the book itself is very much alive…!! This morning a ‘waterfall’ of sparks came from the book, I sat up in my bed and told it to be quiet lol (upon waking up in the morning I noticed that the book and some of my clothes were covered in gray ashes).[/quote]
Wow cloud9, thanks for sharing your experience! You are definitely right! The BOA is very much alive. When I first received the book in the mail and started reading it, I started to feel “light-headed” and saw flashes of light (even coming from the pages).[/quote]
When you writing BOA you mean book of azazel?
I’ll be cheeky and answer for them because that’s quite an old post and those members may not be on here any more - yes, I think so.
Yes, they did mean Book of Azazel.
I was in contact with Cloud9 a lot when I first arrived here and he used that abbreviation frequently.
Also…Lady Eva gasp…Facebook?
[quote=“Orismen, post:19, topic:50”]Also…Lady Eva gasp…Facebook?
:-P[/quote]
E.A.'s page, not mine!
That was awesomely explained. I can’t get sigils to do anything for me but I keep trying.