LHP Magicians Under Scrutiny by Wiccans

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Several months ago I suddenly found myself so comforted by the darkness that the idea of going back to right hand path and wiccan based forums makes me snarl my nose. I believe in mixing different types of magick to receive a well rounded education and more powerful experience so if a spell or etc. seems legit and works for me I don’t care what path or system it comes from however some paths and practitioner types clearly were not meant to be mixed and mingled.

I realized how annoying the RHP types really are when I decided to test the waters by visiting an old favorite forum of mine. It used to be highly active, hundreds of particpants per day and the same 20 or so devoted members could be found online at least once or twice per day contributing to topics and chatting with others in the chat room. But then the attendance levels dropped and things fell apart when the owner’s wife died and he suddenly went from being the “guy with a twig up his ass 24/7” to being a “whatever I don’t care anymore do what you want” non-attendant type of guy. His wife’s death literally killed his spirit, but unlike some wiccan forums he had a section for LHP, Santeria, Luciferianism etc. because he was raised in a pagan family and had a more well rounded magickal education.

After his sudden depression and lack of attendance the LHP members came out of the works a little more, maybe less afraid to post now since they figured the forum wasn’t so heavily restricted anymore however I was shocked when I went back and began posting some darker topics just to see what type of response I would get. You could say that, I have never seen wiccans and pacifists get such nasty attitudes with anyone before until the day when I mentioned that yes, there is such a thing as black and white magick and that magick for self gain was 100% okay to perform, on a wiccan forum. LOL. Like christians, they too will show us a side of hatred and cold shoulders.

They always claim to hate relgious radicals just as much as we do and they dislike the control of monotheistic religions yet they have no problem showing the same types of attitudes towards those who openly admit to darker practices. They seem just as hypocritical as the monotheistic one-god-only types. No surprise there, I understand that wiccans follow RHP concepts because they don’t want to hurt anyone and many believe there is no such thing as black or white magick because it labels magick into groups and to them it signifies that evil does in fact exist which is something they believe is not real, that evil is a human concept so by claiming black magick is real to them, that’s like admitting evil is real. Yeah, their ideas on this are strange.

Anyway, that was no shocker. What surprised me was that even the people on that forum claiming to be LHP, Satanist, Luciferian, and so on had completely warped views unlike any I’ve ever seen on this forum here. These people seemed to be just as brainwashed by the RHP concepts as the wiccans were. In good faith, just to find out what makes them so different from us I asked several questions with genuine intent to learn but the responses I got were uncommon. The ideas I mentioned, here on this forum such questions would be viewed as normal and met with the usual responses and understanding, but over there the so called LHPer’s upheld wiccan based beliefs.

They too believed that it was wrong to curse someone, wrong to perform magick for self gain, there was no such thing as black magick or white magick and that all magick is just “gray”, demons are not real, christianity is not real but pagan gods are real and so on. I found myself arguing with a few of them because they were suggesting I was delusional so in a sense everyone on this forum must be delusional too. I didn’t start the argument I asked questions to find out what they thought about certain subjects and they responded (both the wiccans and the so called LHPers over there) with tension, dismissing all of the ideas we have over here as false.

Okay, sounds like they’re just wiccan to me and using a dark title to feel cool, but they argue me up and down claiming no I’m a dark blah blah of the LHP path. How can you claim to be that yet openly admit you only believe the same ideas the wiccans do? While also stating that everything we speak of on forums like this one, are bullshit lies. I really think they just don’t understand the difference between each path and having only been members of wiccan forums, I can see why they’d be so confused. Most people on this forum that would read their posts would think WTF?

I wonder if the wiccans on that forum are falsely educating those who want to branch to LHP based paths by lying to them to keep them truly wiccan because these people claim to be LHP but have no knowledge what so ever about Lucifer, Satan, LHP concepts, godhood, black and white magick. Just so strange and if you try to ask questions to find out what gave them these ideas, the wiccans go into overdrive protective mode and shew you away from there like a fly. So recently, I have come to discover that the wiccans as opposed to brainwashing as they may seem, are in fact doing some brainwashing of their own.

The LHPers over there even say there is no such thing as self-mastery there are only partnerships with deities that have more control over the world than we do and that anyone who believes self-mastery or godhood is achieveable is just selfish and narssicistic. How could you truly be LHP if you believe that? Isn’t one of the core concepts of LHP realizing that we do have control of our lives and refusing to let any one god or spirit handle all of our affairs for us?

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From my very limited and totally not well educated understanding of the Left Hand Path in it’s simplest form is three concepts: Individuality, Power, and Freedom. You can believe those concepts without necessarily believing in Satan, Lucifer, Demons, or ascension to Godhood and that’s all fine and dandy. As long as they practice Individuality, seeking Power and Freedom, then they are, for all intents and purposes, Left Hand Pathers. They just approach the Left Hand Path from a different place, and that’s fine.

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The wiccan goddess is just Jesus in a dress. Wiccans are more interested in being accepted as a “legitimate” religion than in practicing magic… The Threefold Law and Law of Return are simply Christian concepts re-tooled for pagans. Traditional European witchcraft along with other indigenous magical traditiosn doesn’t believe in any of this nonsense.

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If there was no self mastery then taking control of our life would be out of alignment with human nature, and the world would contain no self made men or women. If there was no self mastery then we would never have any true desire to achieve or solve the many problems we need to address, so we could learn and progress in this world.

If deities had control over us, we would spend most of our lives running around trying to please them but in reality, the black magician knows that he’s in control and therefore uses them (respectfully) to better himself. The RHP dummies seem to think that ‘Selfishness’ is a sin! If it wasn’t for this motive, we would simply neglect our entire well being and just sit about until we died.

To truly help others we need to be in a strong position ourselves before we could ever give others any real benefit. Showing no care for yourself at the expense of others goes against the survivalistic nature of a human, which makes no sense at all unless you’re a complete doormat.

To be quite honest with you, I find many RHP wiccans and ‘goody-goody two shoe types’ exactly the same as many in the church. They point the finger at old nick saying that he’s a bad lad and you ‘shouldn’t do this or that’. If it wasn’t for the devil they wouldn’t have a church? They wouldn’t have anything to moan about and be scared of anymore. They seem to be always complaining about something to justify carrying on with their irrelevant practices that get them nowhere. They should be thanking the devil for giving them something to do with their miserable lives!

They fight against us when theres nothing to truly fight against? They just become defensive out of fear because they don’t understand, or they have some hidden agenda which is usually selfish in nature but because the church sees it as taboo, it gets overlooked!

These false fuckers call us evil? We are the most natural magicians in the world who are just being true to ourselves. I have a lot of respect for people and I therefore accept others for what they are without judgement, whereas most ‘do-gooders’ are so narrow minded, ignorant and pretentious, they will even go against their own personal beliefs if it means playing along with the majority to simply fit in, they are nothing but hypocrites in my experience.

They are literally full of shit and try to disperse this crap on us as we are easy targets. The devil has been blamed for years for mans lack of responsibility, he is always the scapegoat for these people. The true black magician however takes control of his life and is therefore responsible for the consequences of his actions and he knows this deep down. He doesn’t run away and blame the church (or anyone) if things don’t go his way, he realises he simply needs to learn, correct himself and try again as this is the spirit of progress and success.

Anyway…, that’s my rant over and done with today lol and completes a ‘century’ of posts on this forum, which contains more honest and better informed people than many of those sad gits who sit about in churches, or moan about the evils of black magic.

*Edited Update : Corrected the above quote as I cropped it too tight at the beginning. It gave the impression that Raven had spoken this, when in fact she was referring to what others said,

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[quote=“ashtkerr, post:2, topic:6268”]the Left Hand Path in it’s simplest form is three concepts: Individuality, Power, and Freedom. You can believe those concepts without necessarily believing in Satan, Lucifer, Demons, or ascension to Godhood and that’s all fine and dandy. As long as they practice Individuality

They just approach the Left Hand Path from a different place, and that’s fine.[/quote]

My point is not to belittle anyone for customizing their paths, that’s fine too but you said it yourself, that as long as they practice individuality it’s okay however, the main points I was trying to make is regardless of what these people believe about demons, Satan, and so on, they do not believe in individuality.

You cannot believe in individuality if you claim that those who seek self-mastery and control of their own lives are selfish narcissists like these people are claiming. So the basis of my post is not about what they believe or what spirits they worship (if any) it’s that we all at least seem to agree in this topic that LHP magicians have a few main goals in common, which are mastery of the self including self-discipline and accepting responsibility for ones own actions regardless of the consequences.

But these people are saying that anyone seeking this is full of themselves because gods and goddesses have control over us and we do not. That sounds highly wiccan to me because whether or not they choose to admit it, wiccans have been brainwashed just as much as christians. They may believe in multiple deities and have the freedom to work with whoever they choose instead of being stuck with one god for eternity, but they admit to being helpless without those deities.

So someone claiming to be LHP yet admitting they are nothing without their gods and have no true power for themselves, seems to me like a sheep wearing a wolf’s clothing and draping a pentagram around its neck to blend in even further. When a black magician wants something they go for it regardless of what it takes to get it and they accept any possible outcomes for theirs actions. They do not say well I want that as long as no one is harmed and the future is not altered in any way and my goddess can be there to hold my hand while I do it.

That seems like the perfect set up, IMO, so they can bend the rules just to their liking but when they get caught up in their actions they can point the finger at someone else and say “they made me do it remember, I have no control over my life. I only broke the rules because god told me to do it”. Like savodonger said, they seem to reject the idea of control so they can have an excuse to never take responsibility for their own lives. Like Eric Cartman in South Park when he fakes having Tourette’s syndrome so he can cuss at the school faculty and not get punished for it because ‘he can’t help it, he has a disease that makes him do it’.

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Wicca disempowers its followers almost as much as Christianity does. You can always spot a wiccan spell book because it’s full of spells to “to get peace of mind” and “heal the planet.” It will also include stern admonitions against love spells because they “violate free will” and hexing. Of course, love and power are two of the things that attract people to magic in the first place.

For those of European descent, wicca may be a step up from Christianity, but wiccans would do better to get out of the New Age and explore authentic European religions and witchcraft.

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If you look at Gerald Gardner’s original concept of Wicca, it’s really no different than Golden Dawn or Thelemic magick. He was, in fact, friends with Crowley. It’s mostly just reworked Hermetics. Modern American Wicca (not an official term, lol), OTOH, has been inundated with hippie ideology and New Age fuckery. I wouldn’t wipe my ass with it.

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I’ve known some Pagans that had no problem doing dark magick if need be to set them on the path they wanted to be on, but they were into Dianic, Norse, and Italian witchcraft. In fact, they could not stand the idea of wicca and would easily argue that the most ancient and traditional forms of witchcraft have always involved self gain, blood sacrifice, offerings to deities to persuade them to favor your desires over another’s. But wicca is nothing more than mixing some of the cool parts of new age practices and magick with christian moral values.

True practitioners of witchcraft, not modern day stuff, the most traditional forms of witchcraft, had no morals. I don’t care for Mel Gibson and his passion of the christ crap, in fact the only time I ever pay attention to anything about him is when I’m watching Trey Parker and Matt Stone make fun of him on Comedy Central. However, his movie Apocalypto was actually pretty good. I know his intentions were most likely to show people how sinister true witchcraft used to be, but his movie is as close to the truth as it gets.

Very graphic, but you have a tribe of unsophisticated natives living in the forest, barely clothed and living off the land with nothing more than their basic survival instincts, then you have a group of more civilized people who have formed a small city and a hierarchy with a king and these people have erected a massive pyramidal monument in which every so many months they offer severed heads to a god by feeding the heads into the monument in exchange for the health and life of their people and to ensure they have enough edible crops to feed their entire village. These people are far more civilized than the natives as in, they have actual homes and order in their community so they see themselves as superior and refuse to kill their own people for sacrifices. So they start picking off the natives one by one and sacrificing them instead, until they fight back that is.

But that, is a more realistic opinion of how traditional witchcraft really was. People were not smart enough back then to realize people didn’t need to die to give a suitable offering but they didn’t care, they let their carnal nature take over and did rituals and offerings they felt would do the entire village good. Been so long since I’ve seen it I don’t even remember what god they praying to, one of the sun gods I imagine. And the movie the Wicker Man, also more accurate. So witchcraft never was intended to be all honey bees and rainbow clouds shimmering in the sunset. They call us evil, whatever don’t care, but they have corrupted true paganism and made it their own, their own version of it with worship and morals. Hmmm, now who else did that throughout history? Gee, I wonder…

So in essence, those of us here on this forum are as close to REAL witches and sorcerers as it gets. But there is nothing wrong with morals to an extent because the morals we have, even though we have far less than others, those are what made us realize over the centuries that we can benefit from magick without having to kill someone every so many months to appease the gods. Instead, we discovered these gods are usually happy with a chalice full of liquor, some tobacco, and a few drops of our own blood here and there.

I’m just starting to see the bigger picture here and to me it’s that wiccans are doing nothing different than what the christians and islamists have been doing for centuries, yet they despise the christians for stealing pagan traditions and changing them. The only form of chrisitianity that seems to remain somewhat rational is catholicism because they don’t hide the fact that they openly partake in magickal rituals and offerings ceremonies. Now days, if we want plentiful crops we just conjure up some rain and sunshine.

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Healing the planet will result in many ,many human deaths.

That being said, I do my best to use magic to heal the planet. So in that respect were on the same team even if they might not have thought things through.

According to one of my first successful rituals I did, the spirit of the earth actually had a large hand in willing 911 to happen. Would be funny if those heal the earth spells contributed to that. I remember in some interview on truth frequency ea was talking to chris everard or someone about black magicians having a hand in 911, but nope, it was the heal the earth spells the whole time, wouldnt that be a twist?

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The towers falling on 9/11 released a bunch of toxic dust from the old buildings into the nearby river, parks, and into watercourses via the sewers next time it rained; medical treatment for the many people injured and now seriously ill from that causes pollution, contributes to the use of animals in vivisection labs, and releases contaminants in the water as people on serious meds pass the residues with their bodily waste; it was linked to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where depleted uranium was used that created a spike in radioactivity readings as far north as the UK, and which will contaminate Iraq for centuries, affecting birds, animals, fish, insects, and plants; the wars also used large anmounts of fossil fuels, metals, and other resources.

Finally, the contruction of a new building on the same site wouldn’t have happened without the attack, because the Twin Towers were a landmark and would have remained indefinitely - concretre is one of the least environmentally friendly materials, so there’s that, glass, metals, specialist IT-rleated metals and processing to lay on new connections for computers and wi-fi…

So if that was the aim, it was a total bust, because global capitalism didn’t collapse that day and people all run back to tree-hugging because buildings are scary, but the environmental cost was fucking awful, and most it very long-lasting and affecting the entire biosphere.

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Not saying I necessarily agree with Defectron, but perhaps the Spirit of the Earth had a much longer timescale in mind. When dealing with supernatural forces and superintelligent beings usually they don’t always act in way we would imagine.

Read this link: [url=http://stanrock.net/2014/02/05/the-angelic-ladder/]http://stanrock.net/2014/02/05/the-angelic-ladder/[/url] aside from the Christian stuff, the philosophy in here is pretty intense. Tell me what you think about it Lady Eva.

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Anything is possible, my comment is heavily skewed by the fact I believe (more of that UPG stuff!) that I know what 9/11 was about, what caused it etc., and it was multi-faceted, with many interests being served. But a lot of innocent people died horribly and out of respect for them, and for other reasons, that’s all I’m going to say on it.

When we talk about healing the earth though, just remember the planet spent far longer as an uninhabitable burning hot ball of rock with acid oceans and atmosphere than it did as the green garden eco-freaks like to think of, and it will also spend immeasurably longer as a scorched ball of rock again after our sun swells, then finally the earth will cool into a dark cold ball as the sun contracts back into a white dwarf, so who’s to say what its “natural” state is?

Our timescale, from amoeba to whatever’s here when the sun swells (or whatever leaves the planet before then etc), is like a summer ant farm that was the passing hobby, in the life of a man who lives to be 95…

Read this link: [url=http://stanrock.net/2014/02/05/the-angelic-ladder/]http://stanrock.net/2014/02/05/the-angelic-ladder/[/url] aside from the Christian stuff, the philosophy in here is pretty intense. Tell me what you think about it Lady Eva.

Gah, that’s the kind of thing I usually avoid reading but okay - for you! :wink:

Now, every being with interests has a “proper place” along the ladder, as a function of his or her actual wisdom and awareness. But it’s certainly possible that a being will think he is wiser and/or more aware than he really is, and violate rules to which he should adhere. The cost of that violation is a failure to optimally seek his interests.

This is generally true and as it says later on, is why you don’t let your dog make certain decisions.

But surely one seeks to hack this “proper place” concept by acquiring what BALG calls the “three godlike powers”: divination, to acquire knowledge of future events that may escape even the logic and predictive ability of a genuis; evocation, to commune with beings outside linear time whose wisdom is also immense compared to our own; and soul travel, so that we’re not limired to our bodies and may experience other realms and so on.

I think that busts the ladder up, personally, because a less intelligent person with an excellent spirit mentor or two is likely to succeed above an earnest genius who thinks spirits don’t exist (that’s why mundanes often fear magicians, after all!).

As a general rule I never like “grade systems” or talk of “levels” because the person who proposes them normally assumes he or she is somehow “higher” than the people they’re presented to, and is “in good” with whatever lies at the top, though I could of course be wrong about this author.

We humans are pretty creative, though, and so the over-eager near-Prole human might rush to act “above his paygrade,” using his pathetic brain...

Poor choice of language - “his pathetic brain” - it’s mocking, derisory, and has a whiff of self-hatred. It was talk like this from the saturated RHP-led culture that played into me having clinical depression until a few years ago, I believed there was always going to be something wrong with me, with being human, with this reality.

But even if the author believes in God as a creator, how can the brain be “pathetic” when it’s as it was created, and is functioning exactly as it’s taught to do?

Just an observation! :wink:

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to imagine up and and announce explanations that could have nothing whatsoever to do with the real chain of prospective events that will, eventually, justify those “troughs.” And, indeed, his embarrassing attempts will probably be crude, ill-conceived, and even horrific.

This is why, IMO, religions that follow dictates in a book writeen long ago and which are never revised are prone to degenerate into evil actions, whereas the individual magician who is in regular contact withs pirits is more focused on their own actions, ethics (or whatever they choose to use in that direction) and so on.

So yeah, this comes right back to the OP that wiccans who replace their Bibles, Korans etc with their own versions, they’re not really doing anything innovative, and it’ll probably end in tears.

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I’m not LHP I guess, I was told it was against my best interests to work with demons, none the less idk if what I’ve done in the past is RHP.

I’ve tried sweetening people, money, protection, and recently justified cursing.

Or rather TWF and others have helped me do these things.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that these wiccans are full of it. There’s nothing wrong in defending yourself, drawing love, money etc.

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[quote=“RavensAscent, post:1, topic:6268”]Several months ago I suddenly found myself so comforted by the darkness that the idea of going back to right hand path and wiccan based forums makes me snarl my nose. I believe in mixing different types of magick to receive a well rounded education and more powerful experience so if a spell or etc. seems legit and works for me I don’t care what path or system it comes from however some paths and practitioner types clearly were not meant to be mixed and mingled.

I realized how annoying the RHP types really are when I decided to test the waters by visiting an old favorite forum of mine. It used to be highly active, hundreds of particpants per day and the same 20 or so devoted members could be found online at least once or twice per day contributing to topics and chatting with others in the chat room. But then the attendance levels dropped and things fell apart when the owner’s wife died and he suddenly went from being the “guy with a twig up his ass 24/7” to being a “whatever I don’t care anymore do what you want” non-attendant type of guy. His wife’s death literally killed his spirit, but unlike some wiccan forums he had a section for LHP, Santeria, Luciferianism etc. because he was raised in a pagan family and had a more well rounded magickal education.

After his sudden depression and lack of attendance the LHP members came out of the works a little more, maybe less afraid to post now since they figured the forum wasn’t so heavily restricted anymore however I was shocked when I went back and began posting some darker topics just to see what type of response I would get. You could say that, I have never seen wiccans and pacifists get such nasty attitudes with anyone before until the day when I mentioned that yes, there is such a thing as black and white magick and that magick for self gain was 100% okay to perform, on a wiccan forum. LOL. Like christians, they too will show us a side of hatred and cold shoulders.

They always claim to hate relgious radicals just as much as we do and they dislike the control of monotheistic religions yet they have no problem showing the same types of attitudes towards those who openly admit to darker practices. They seem just as hypocritical as the monotheistic one-god-only types. No surprise there, I understand that wiccans follow RHP concepts because they don’t want to hurt anyone and many believe there is no such thing as black or white magick because it labels magick into groups and to them it signifies that evil does in fact exist which is something they believe is not real, that evil is a human concept so by claiming black magick is real to them, that’s like admitting evil is real. Yeah, their ideas on this are strange.

Anyway, that was no shocker. What surprised me was that even the people on that forum claiming to be LHP, Satanist, Luciferian, and so on had completely warped views unlike any I’ve ever seen on this forum here. These people seemed to be just as brainwashed by the RHP concepts as the wiccans were. In good faith, just to find out what makes them so different from us I asked several questions with genuine intent to learn but the responses I got were uncommon. The ideas I mentioned, here on this forum such questions would be viewed as normal and met with the usual responses and understanding, but over there the so called LHPer’s upheld wiccan based beliefs.

They too believed that it was wrong to curse someone, wrong to perform magick for self gain, there was no such thing as black magick or white magick and that all magick is just “gray”, demons are not real, christianity is not real but pagan gods are real and so on. I found myself arguing with a few of them because they were suggesting I was delusional so in a sense everyone on this forum must be delusional too. I didn’t start the argument I asked questions to find out what they thought about certain subjects and they responded (both the wiccans and the so called LHPers over there) with tension, dismissing all of the ideas we have over here as false.

Okay, sounds like they’re just wiccan to me and using a dark title to feel cool, but they argue me up and down claiming no I’m a dark blah blah of the LHP path. How can you claim to be that yet openly admit you only believe the same ideas the wiccans do? While also stating that everything we speak of on forums like this one, are bullshit lies. I really think they just don’t understand the difference between each path and having only been members of wiccan forums, I can see why they’d be so confused. Most people on this forum that would read their posts would think WTF?

I wonder if the wiccans on that forum are falsely educating those who want to branch to LHP based paths by lying to them to keep them truly wiccan because these people claim to be LHP but have no knowledge what so ever about Lucifer, Satan, LHP concepts, godhood, black and white magick. Just so strange and if you try to ask questions to find out what gave them these ideas, the wiccans go into overdrive protective mode and shew you away from there like a fly. So recently, I have come to discover that the wiccans as opposed to brainwashing as they may seem, are in fact doing some brainwashing of their own.

The LHPers over there even say there is no such thing as self-mastery there are only partnerships with deities that have more control over the world than we do and that anyone who believes self-mastery or godhood is achieveable is just selfish and narssicistic. How could you truly be LHP if you believe that? Isn’t one of the core concepts of LHP realizing that we do have control of our lives and refusing to let any one god or spirit handle all of our affairs for us?[/quote]

I’ve been a member of forums like that back in the day. Those people are fake, sucking up to the mods just to get some recognition, points, power or whatever it is that makes them feel “smart” or “entitled”. Groups like this are a circle-jerk of armchair wiccans who’s only purpose of being online is to talk smack and ban people of the lhp community when they’re not busy kissing ass and stroking each others egos.

Those people know nothing about the lhp. The only God that is and forever will be is you.

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Not saying I necessarily agree with Defectron, but perhaps the Spirit of the Earth had a much longer timescale in mind. When dealing with supernatural forces and superintelligent beings usually they don't always act in way we would imagine.

This made me think of a hilarious George Carlin routine about “saving the planet.” I have nothing against the planet, but a little contrarian humor is always enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

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Personally, I tend ignore the idea of apotheosis. It’s not that I don’t believe in it, I’d just rather focus on basic down to earth goals for the moment.

Ideally, Wicca would be an introduction to magick, and practitioners would explore other traditions sometime later. Though realistically I can’t read a Wiccan book without cringing. It’s clear Wicca is a religion first and tradition second. That’s fine if that’s what you’re into, but its not for everyone. And maybe it shouldn’t be.

During my first going to a witchcraft shop, the owner gave me a little booklet for free as an introduction. I mean this was a tiny little booklet you’d see being handed out to advertise. Except on the back there was a 20 dollar price tag. Yeah. When I read it, it said the Wiccan lives to worship the “Goddess and the God” (more so the goddess). I threw it away.

I call Wiccans Quasi-Christians. They share many of the same attitude, beliefs, and mindsets as a Christian except lighter and they exchange biblical names for Pagan names. I doubt the gods and goddesses even think in the same way.

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I just want to say I like demons, helping my animal people, growing plants, and torturing my human counterparts, but I’ve found minimal interest in selfishness or greed.

Does that make me less LHP or more RHP?

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The LHP is about being yourself. If you’re not by nature greedy or selfish, then don’t be greedy or selfish. If you want to promote life then promote life.

The RHP is about conforming to some external force’s opinion. If the rules say you must be greedy, you’ll be greedy. If the rules say you must be hateful, you’ll be hateful. And the “rules” I’m talking about could come from religion, government, or the culture you were raised in.

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I would like to redefine the term warlock to meaning like a Wiccan heretic.

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“The LHP is about being yourself. If you’re not by nature greedy or selfish, then don’t be greedy or selfish. If you want to promote life then promote life.”

I’ve just always wondered, skimming through the forum; many people here make greed seem to be a pre-requisite. Bothers me none, just been trying to understand.

Back to torture and heroism, :japanese_ogre: