(Kundalini) Chakra Based System Potentially Dangerous?

Kundalini, Chakras & Energy Work
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I asked if working with the book Opening the Energy Gates could help me locate my chakras and the three nadis. (My focus in on Kundalini)

The author mentioned in his course that he can move his organ and brain fluid with his mind alone, so I thought that if someone can sense those specific things, they might also be able to locate the nadis. Currently, I cannot sense the nadis.

Someone replied and said that working with the chakra system forces the central channel into the spine, which causes problems. I also saw another post but on this forum where someone stated they don’t work with chakras because they view them as thoughtforms or crutches. This has made me consider switching from the chakra system to the Qi Gong energy system. Does anyone know if the claim about the central channel and the spine is true or just made-up nonsense?

The 7/8/9 chakra system exists for one ultimate purpose, to speed up the astral projection and psychic power game, to break the wheel, to escape this existence with a “soul”.

The Hindus think of this planet pretty much as a hell realm, arguably because their practices are crap.

The chakras are generated by forcing the central channel into the spinal cord (chest up and out, kidneys crushed) generating the wavy (almost always) unstable crisscrossed side channels and countless mentally ill casualties as a result.

The Daoists on the other hand quite like it here and want to look after it without recourse to the slavery game, the

dantiens are a roadmap that would naturally lead to the side channels linking horizontally into the central channel with each vertebrae, giving a much more grounded type of spiritual progress and developing the central channel in front of the spinal cord.

This in turn allows a much more accurate and powerful internal organs game to develop (for this planet?!), the 5 elements instead of the 4.

So the systems are very different in terms of objectives, you have to choose between them or fail at both…from everything I’ve seen anyway which is quite a lot.

Many people blow their systems open using Vedic stuff and then learn the Daoist one if they can, nobody goes the other way although a good look at the Western spiritual traditions make it obvious where they get their severely limited spiritual tech from, how it so easily degenerated into mere hypnotic induction and materialism.

Materialism was developed in ancient India, almost certainly as a reaction to dangerous and crap tantric practices, a fact not many folks know.

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Everyone’s central channel (Shushumna) is already in the spine. The side channels (Ida and Pingala) are shown in diagrams as if they criss-cross each chakra at the spinal cord, but they actually rise up straight on each side of Shushumna.

I know of several people who have switched from Taoist cultivation practices to yogic or Tantric ones.

For the sake of clarity: I’ve never read Energy Gates, so I don’t know anything about that system.

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I’m also not too fan of the chakra map system, I prefer way more the Qi gong map. But I think the argument of causing problems and anguish is very exaggerated, because everyone is susceptible to that. In my opinion, the problem with the Chakra map system is that it condenses a lot of concept-energy into a few points which makes people without spiritual shields more susceptible to attacks and influence from the spiritual world. Even so, I still think that the system doesn’t matter as long as you do with dedication and following the spiritual principles (shielding, warding and self-awareness)

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More often than not the people complaining about chakras or saying they’re the root of everything bad are trying to fear monger, chakras are a very old concept and removal is recent, what chakras are simply is energy centers which organise the flow and connection of various types of energy, they help to bring organisation. There is no specific issue in this, the issues stem from the fact that people’s energies and emotions are unbalanced and can often mess things up (an issue that removal does not aid, because again it’s still part of your energy flow) and actively working on those things aren’t always taken as seriously as they should be by others.

That said, I still personally do prescribe to certain benefits of chakra removal and have done it myself as I decided it would be beneficial to my practice. There are benefits to it in my eyes, as are there benefits to not removing them. Researching and doing what’s best for you is always the way to go.

Both ways work completely fine, the presence of the chakras isn’t a hidden roadblock to awakening your kundalini and neither is the lack of them. The actual roadblock I would say is the type of authors who would push the narrative that you have to do it their way.

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A while ago, I came across a video of someone who had channeled a chant from a Hindu diety to raise the Kundalini. Essentially, the person offers food and alcohol to this god, requesting that it use the energy of the offerings to activate the Kundalini. Then, they focus on the chakra while chanting the mantra.

Do you think this chant could also be used while practicing the microcosmic orbit, or perhaps while focusing on the Du Mai and Ren Mai points? In other words, based on your knowledge of these two energy systems, do you think this chant would only work with the chakra system?

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I don’t know much about that deity,if I were you I would try. I know that there are Chinese gods that can help raise Qi energy like Xi Wang Mu and Lingbao Tiazun, but I think Chakra and Qi are just names for the same energy, I think even Goetics and Angels can do that, so is much more about your dedication to the practice of energy gathering and your relationship with the deity that helps the process

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That’s quite accurate because he not only channeled a Kundalini chant from Kali but also got similar Kundalini chants from Shaitan and Paimon.

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I have gone through a full ‘cycle’ of kundalini, and found it does carry risks.

I experienced insomnia, and blackening of my big toenails.

When the kundalini awakens in full force, it is like a gate opens at your root chakra and a very powerful dense energy is trying to force its way up the center of your torso to either the third eye or the crown chakra.

The central channel also called shushumna is the largest or most resilient nadi/energy pathway, but the smaller/lesser pathways/nadis are not as strong. If I failed to guide the kundalini energy up the central channel it would go into organs and cause malfunction and pain or it would go into muscles and those muscles would flare up or get locked up, also very painful. I did not find that the shushumna went up the spine, but rather the very center of the torso.

There are various blockages along the central channel called granthis or knots. There are more than just the three main ones called Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra granthis. If you cannot pierce these knots/move through these blockages you will be in trouble according to the strength/power of your kundalini awakening.

I have read allegations that people have died during kundalini awakening, and a guy named Pandit Gopi Krishna almost did. He wrote a book on his experience called ‘Living with kundalini’ which unfortunately is useless to us as practitioners… no wonder the guy almost died, based on his account I judge him incompetent and uneducated on the discipline of kundalini.

I have not found one source that contained all the information I needed to get through the ordeal, but ‘Aghora 2: Kundalini’ by Robert Svoboda was most helpful by orders of magnitude.

@HypnotizeMindz had his kundalini awakened by Furcas of the Goetia. It was unintentional. This was ultimately a bad experience for him, and he went to @C.Kendall who did a ritual for him to seal the kundalini. The ritual worked.

Nowadays I use “Alash Tad Alash Tal Ashtu” (from Book of Azazel) to raise kundalini, but that incantation only works if the portal at the root chakra is already open.

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