Is magick really THAT effective?

Aw thank you! I appreciate that :relaxed:

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There are things far more restrictive of will than a virus, and a lot of them are man-made, and I think the virus is serving a purpose whether intended or not, though tragically there are casualties. I have my own goals and designs magically that i am interested in doing work to accomplish, coronavirus is not apart of them directly, and i dont consider my own magical practice one that could or should attempt to interfere with natural catastrophes that benefit the earth.

Also, for perspective, my life is NOT in limbo. I get to spend all day working at home and tending my garden of sacred plants, I get to spend my off day learning a new language, learning new (and old ways) of making plant extracts, i get to tend to my shrines, i get to read my books readily, expand to studying ethnomycology as well as the plants, and practice magic. Im left alone to do that - my occupation was forced remote because of the pandemic, and my ability to feed my soul with the things -I- want to do has been vastly improved. From an entirely selfish perspective, why would i contribute to disrupting what has been provided to me as a result?

I also like what was previously mentioned by Keteriya: . “A lot of us are introverts or have tight social circles anyways.“

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If magick is really that effective, why aren’t ‘Sorcerers’ battling this Coronavirus yet? And if they ARE pathworking against this virus, why has nothing happened?

First things first; never underestimate the power of a large group of stupid, ignorant and uneducated sheeple. I know, as I continue to use it in My Work.

Second, if you believe that the Lock Down has anything to do with a virus, then you need help of a kind I’m unqualified to offer.

Third, the economic destruction of the Lock Down has really hastened My Work.

Fourth, I know how to cure Covid-19 and I have posted. Alternatively, even if – like me – you’re allergic to Vit.C, when you suffer colds and influenza, for some odd reason, you’re not allergic and can take significant amounts – regularly.

What agenda is being served? Who benefits?

These people are very much modern Magicians and their kind of work relies completely on propaganda – constant and unrelenting – so that most have no inclination or time for anything else but the illusion at hand.

And I mention this, because LHP practitioners apparently detest the concept of having to do anything against their conscious control/will

I got censored and accused of “edgelording” (had to look it up) and that was on the premium lhp website – here. I was delighted!

Al.

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Having read all the replies to this thread, I discern two threads of responses. The first thread includes those that ask me some questions, some of them also misunderstanding my intent a little (albeit unintentionally – all is cool )

The second thread of responses actually answers the questions I asked, gives me insights I hadn’t even thought about before – and clarifies a lot of my skepticism.

In replying to the first thread of responses I described above…

Fantastic actually - Hanuman is excellent for driving out unwanted psychic forces - for physical training (callisthenics, martial arts, wrestling, bodybuilding) - for herbal work as well. Also, Hanuman is the chief of Ram’s legion of warriors - so you can be assured of Hanuman’s sheer potency. But since discussing that particular spirit would derail the OP, let us discuss Hanuman on a different thread :slight_smile:

Now,

To those I have quoted above, - I feel my ‘intent’ has been a tad bit misunderstood. I should have phrased myself a lil more succinctly. It’s not that my life has been terribly affected by the Coronavirus so far (fortunately so) - We don’t have an absolute lockdown here - and neither have my loved ones been affected yet.Still, I consider it a violation of my freedom to be forced to wear a mask to venture out. Look at what @Akasha wrote

^for this perfectly sums it up.

To @Anassa @Keteriya and @A_Pariah specifically :
I do not consider myself a saviour of this world - nor do I have inclinations to do so (however changing global affairs to suit my will might appeal to me) I am perfectly alright staying at home going about my business, for there’s a lot of work - many, many books to read, a lot of guitar practising to do etc
but the thing that I found disagreeable was that as magicians, despite the lockdowns having been lifted from many parts of the world we HAVE to (a necessary obstacle on personal freedom) wear a mask while going out (mind you, this is not conscious will on our parts to wear the mask, but something we are forced to do - if we want to save our lives) - as a musician, I see the entire business of LIVE music, rock concerts, happy congregation of people stagnate before my eyes - that too, indefinitely.
It is all well and dandy if you CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSE to remain indoors - but for those that would love to be performing onstage before a sea of thousands of rock-music fans, this is hardly an excellent situation

Thank you all for replying though. Also to @anon47637920 @anon48079295 and @MorpheusDarkson …peace.
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Now, onto the juicier stuff - some of your replies here have indeed given me new insights - for which I am thankful.

Interesting insight right there. This means that the potency of Magick itself is not to be questioned - but it all depends on the personal style of every magician

Now this is esoteric af. And I like that.

Thanks @DarkestKnight

Another interesting insight - that makes me stop questioning the potency of magick itself, but also consider how important the individual Will, and personal decision of each Sorcerer is.Thanks for this man

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Further affirmation of the tremendous role of the individual will and potency of each magician affecting the “working” of magick than the magick itself. “Do not discount the tool-master, for s/he works the tools” - Thanks @Verdo !

Fucking exactly! Now you’re the only one in this thread that got precisely what I meant.

Again, further reaffirmation. Thanks @Akasha .

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I finished reading Evoking Eternity today. The book I had quoted from (out of skepticism) about a global union of Black Magicians to counter the Coronavirus itself offered a quote that complements it - Ironical innit?

“After working with a group of Conjurers, the previously solitary Magician will find power and peace that had hitherto been undiscovered.It is always evidenced, however, that even though a group may work the miraculous together, and even though they may walk the earth as
the unbreakable horsemen of the apocalypse, that this path is a personal one . It is an intimate union between the dying and the Eternal, between man and God… and with such a treasure, s/he continues down that path comfortably alone .” – Evoking Eternity (Koetting)

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The final strand of thought I shall be taking from this thread is – that it’s not in the impotency of the Magick itself – but the raw capability – and (most important of all) the Conscious Will of the Magician that affects the potency of the Magick.

This is inspiring for me – for now I see that Magick is potent (which is what I wanted to confirm), and it is upto me to “Do What Thou Wilt” with it. Certainly removes my doubts in the magick itself, and encourages me to unabashedly put my Will into action.

I’ll have an open mind and read up on any further replies from any other members should they choose to chime in but – The purpose for which I’d created this thread has been served, and I stand clarified on a lot of things I wasn’t before.

This was my first post on BALG and I thank you all that has contributed here.

Thank you for giving me the encouragement to learn and grow, into the potent Darkness from which all Light stems.

May the Music of Life guide thee,

Ave Lucifer .

Harey Kṛṣṇa.

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As a fellow music-industry-related person I give you the advice to set up merchandise if you make a living out of your art. Even without the plague going on musical artistry on stage doesn’t pay good.
If you’re missing out on the performance aspect only: behold the power of the internet.
“Quarantine concerts” have been a thing and the fact that people have to stay at home pushed some purchases for me recently because they have time to discover new stuff that they like to listen to. You will be able to gather an audience, even if its not right now on stage. Audience is audience, no matter where.
Make collaborations with other musicians. Write and set up a new album. Use the slow speed of things to gather creativity and to try out new things.

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Skepticism is good. Lots if not most occultists turn to magic in desperation and get fleeced.

Magic can effect anything possible; a good rule of thumb is if it can be dreamed, it can be done. The catch is, magic costs. And so the costs you’re willing and able to accept very quickly become the base variable at play.

This server leans very strongly LHP/black. More arcanely put it is a community more thaumaturgically than theurgetically concerned.

Thaumaturgic praxis/black magic isn’t usually very well made for healing sickness and in fact tends to create it. Doing black magic can make people sick, altar spaces can start spontaneously smelling like literal death and attracting bugs from seemingly nowhere especially if you never banish. Evil is sickness, sickness culls, culling affords new life a better place to grow.

Lots if magicians are trying to fight and ease and do their part in the pandemic. Plenty of us are just chilling and watching the numbers fly by trying to figure the result, too.

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Your response is quite a cogent insight. I understand the “thaumaturgic” (practical) side of things is important - however, I believe it is always a good idea to immerse ourselves in the theurgetical (theoretical) side of things for a necessary “immersion” before we tread head-first into the unknown dark waters of practical black magick.

At the end of the day, we alone are responsible and will be accountable for the forces we individually unleash on the material plane.

Correct me if I’m wrong, But I know of some Goetic daemons specifically involved with healing (Marbas the Great President of Hell coming to mind almost instantly)

As for the distinction between angels and demons, I’ve seen experienced mages put forth the viewpoint - that even Angels can perform baneful magick, and Daemons being worked with for protection and healing.

As the saying goes : “Even Angels can kill - and Demons can heal”

To me personally, the Left Hand Path means a path - where we as individuals work as sovereign beings to bring Magick and its effects onto the Material plane… bowing to the divinity within us first,

for if we cannot bow before our own selves in respect and awe, how could we expect the Spirits to bow to us in faithful reverence?

Angels and demons are in many respects very similar critters; They were originally the same species. Their powers and temperaments are consequently in many respects very like.

Theurgetic as theoretical is a bad way to conceive of the difference. Goetia style summoning for example is technically theurgetic as the demons are bindingly evoked and compelled to the magician’s will by the power of their frustrating angel, although arguably the end result is often if not usually what a crusty old bastard like Paracelsus would consider thaumaturgic. @RoxSta

Frustrating angel is the term of art in Goetia grimoires whether or not you Winterfield or anyone else think everyone’s chummy pals (and funny note that isn’t what Winterfield wrote on that point either, that’s what you read into it).

Winterfield here is concurring with my point that Goetia ain’t designed to work without angels, which again in praxis qualified it historically as theurgetic. His speculations on why may differ, there I don’t care.

Hey dude can you pm me? I’ve got some tobacco-magick questions for ya…

Hey man, you pinged me so I’ll drop my thoughts on this one. It’s layered.

First and foremost… The actual pathogen was more or less put to death down on it’s knees. 99.98% survival rate? You have to be tested to know if you even have it? It’s in the realm of everything else people love to screech about on social media: Debatable at the very best. Common sense says it’s been handled.

Even if you’re one to drink the koolaid and pretend it’s anything that should be remotely feared you can kill it with a trip to the grocery store.

Zinc Ionophores kill it. You can replecate the mechanism of HCQ with soccer mom vitamins that do the same thing: Shuttle zinc into the cells and stop replication.

  • Quercetin (take with berberine)
  • Berberine (take with quercetin)
  • Zinc
  • EGCG (green tea polyphenols;) (optional)

(Biochemical advice, not medical advice)

I’m sensing you’re more concerned with the impact of the perception of the problem than the substance of it.

This is where its interesting. One can indeed shape the world in big ways though it takes an extrordinairy amount of power to do it. Magick works through the easiest pathways it can.

The strongest reality also wins and the collective consciousness is indeed a thing. If it’s you pushing against the world you’re going to have to find a different way to redirect the forces at play and render it into something else. Either by throwing magick at weak points or areas that are just out of reach.

For instance, it’s easier to cause something to go viral than it is to do a spell for “stop covid and open the world up.” Doing a bit of digging you can find there are several doctors who have successfully treated hundreds of covid patients using malaria drugs. Making this become household knowledge would have a much greater effect than hitting the problem head on when it has momentum. Then expose or cause controversy with the people responsible for stupid orders and lockdowns. Instill fear in them, cause them to be plagued by mind spirits who won’t let up until they fold. That’s how to do it.

Try to look at it from an energetic standpoint. Situations have momentum. Some magick can reverse entire scenarios if they’re personal ones.

This is how nearly all magick operates, your reality is a consensus one with the people you share it with. The strongest reality wins. When everyone is focused on one thing you can make changes between the lines and shift an entire situation if you know what to change.

You can manifest things with magick, you can’t manhandle them with it. It all happens in the context of what could be written off by a skeptic as a coincidence. Keep that in mind

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