Is evocation (summoning demons) dangerous

[quote=“Poete Maudit, post:20, topic:2265”][quote=“DarkestKnight, post:19, topic:2265”][quote=“Junglered, post:18, topic:2265”][quote=“plop442, post:14, topic:2265”][quote=“Junglered, post:13, topic:2265”][quote=“plop442, post:5, topic:2265”][quote=“Junglered, post:4, topic:2265”]First, summoning ANY entity can be dangerous. There are some angels that can and will check you just as quickly as a demon can. If you go into anything scared, you’ll get a frightening result. That can apply to anything in life.

Is “practicing” spells dangerous? Yeah, it can be. If you’re scared that some invisible force will whack you in the ass because you cast a spell to make Suzy give you a kiss, you may very well get whacked in the ass the day after Suzy kisses you. In my experience, that has little to do with some evil or balancing force that goes around making sure that people who do “bad” things have bad things happen to them. That has everything to do with you (speaking generally) being scared and expecting a bad result. Karma, in the context you’re speaking of, does not exist. Not to be glib but there are loads of people who commit what would be deemed as sinful and evil acts and they’re fine. Hell, better than fine - some thrive! Conversely, there are people who are truly good and follow all the silly rules and still get dealt some shitty cards. In my opinion, there is no “black” or “white” magic. Even the fluffiest “white” magic has some element of selfishness and imposition of your will. Some people don’t agree with that line of thinking.

I too am not mocking you. I understand these questions and fears as I had them myself once upon a time. I certainly don’t have all the answers now but I’m not hung up on some silly dogmatic rules which are designed to hold me down. My suggestion: study all paths of magic. They are numerous and can be overwhelming but one will speak to you if you’re meant to walk that path. Further, go to YouTube and look up all of EA’s videos. Watch them. Yes, all of them. He will answer your questions about demonic possession, black magic, karma, the dangers of summoning demons and pretty much anything else. After that, go to the main site and read, read, read. Loads of info there that can answer almost every question you may have. EA has knack for stripping away the bullshit and taking away the scary mysticism and stigma of summoning and magic. You may very well not agree with him but he knows his stuff and he won’t blow smoke up your ass.[/quote]

thank you my good man, can you help me with sigil magic? is it safe for me to do sigil magick on the weather? I know you can get demons that have the right attributes and shit, but will you attract any demons/spirits if you do sigil magick for the weather? I want it to snow tomorrow, so I will obviously write down the sigil and the phrase. But will I get demons? Even though I don’t need demons/spirits for the weather… or do you only conjure the spirits for when doing love, money, and health sigils?[/quote]

I’m a woman but there’s no way you could have known that. As some other wiser person already stated, messing with the weather isn’t a great idea. While I don’t buy into the concept of karma (not the way most people throw it around anyway), cause and effect is a very real thing. It’s one thing to do a spell or to summon a demon for some money or some sex from the hottie down the block but it’s quite another to do a spell to make a huge change that could really devastate or, at the very least, screw with the lives and livelihood of others. I live in the southern United States by the gulf of Mexico where it snows once in a blue moon. I get the desire to want a white Christmas/New Year’s but I’m not going to screw with the environment to fulfill a whimsical desire. It’s easier to go where it snows.

You need to study at least the very basics before you try to make it snow. I’m not saying you need to cloister yourself away and study for years but it’s obvious you’re trying to walk before you crawl. It would also behoove you to understand that magic, spells or spirits aren’t going to turn the world on its head to make you happy. Watch EA’s videos, read the forum, read some of EA’s books and forget about the snow for the time being.[/quote]

Can you please explain to me WHY it is dangerous if I use a sigil to make it snow? I mean, it’s only snow…Do you mean the spell can have negative effects on you personally?[/quote]

I’ll put it more simplistically than others have - screwing around with situations that affects an entire city/region/whatever is not only dangerous, it’s fucking stupid. Did you ever stop to think that the snow you want to play around in (or whatever you want it for) can cause car accidents that can kill people? How about the fact that a freak snow storm can damage crops and kill farm animals and virtually bankrupt people whose livelihoods depend on those crops and animals? What about the people who aren’t prepared for a freak snow storm? Some people don’t have homes - they can die of exposure. Some people don’t have the money for warm clothing, fire wood, heating, etc. They can die. Anyone of these thoughts pop up into your head at any time? I’d say no or you wouldn’t keep asking why it’s so dangerous for you to create some winter wonderland.
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So what? To paraphrase Uncle Chuckie, if you want to do something, you have the ability to do something, and there are no negative consequences to the action for you, then it is within your right to perform said action. You need not be concerned with the consequences to other people outside of your self and your loved ones.[/quote]

You don’t ‘need’ to do anything, and yours is just another arbitrary ethical position, but that doesn’t change the fact that such a position is a mark of the most profound immaturity and displays an attachment to the world and to ones own ego that of itself precludes the possibility of identification with God. The Illuminati think just like you do. Enjoy the misery you create around you. It will come full circle to bite you. There’s no avoiding that.[/quote]

Yep, its an arbitrary ethical position. Just like yours. You can talk Karma crap all you want. Doesn’t make it any less arbitrary, nor any less, to use your own words, “profoundly immature.” It also shows attachment to ego, and precludes the possibility of identification with “God,” as you say. Holding your opinion as better than anyone else’s is the very definition of ego. I feel no guilt for my own desires, and there is nothing to come full circle and “bite” me. I respect your knowledge, Poete, but I am tired of all the preaching, and ethical statements made on this forum being stated as fact when nothing in what we do qualifies as such. Your position is no better, or worse than the one I put forth.

people wake the fuch up , every heard of Harp, cloud seeding, chem trails,
burning coal, fossil fuel-gasoline, diesel fuel. and your worried about snow ?

hey i hope it snows 10 fucking feet , time the world got some readjustment , killed off a few billion or so useless fuckers

[quote=“palmer, post:22, topic:2265”]people wake the fuch up , every heard of Harp, cloud seeding, chem trails,
burning coal, fossil fuel-gasoline, diesel fuel. and your worried about snow ?

hey i hope it snows 10 fucking feet , time the world got some readjustment , killed off a few billion or so useless fuckers [/quote]
Mirror, mirror, on the wall …

[quote=“DarkestKnight, post:19, topic:2265”][quote=“Junglered, post:18, topic:2265”][quote=“plop442, post:14, topic:2265”][quote=“Junglered, post:13, topic:2265”][quote=“plop442, post:5, topic:2265”][quote=“Junglered, post:4, topic:2265”]First, summoning ANY entity can be dangerous. There are some angels that can and will check you just as quickly as a demon can. If you go into anything scared, you’ll get a frightening result. That can apply to anything in life.

Is “practicing” spells dangerous? Yeah, it can be. If you’re scared that some invisible force will whack you in the ass because you cast a spell to make Suzy give you a kiss, you may very well get whacked in the ass the day after Suzy kisses you. In my experience, that has little to do with some evil or balancing force that goes around making sure that people who do “bad” things have bad things happen to them. That has everything to do with you (speaking generally) being scared and expecting a bad result. Karma, in the context you’re speaking of, does not exist. Not to be glib but there are loads of people who commit what would be deemed as sinful and evil acts and they’re fine. Hell, better than fine - some thrive! Conversely, there are people who are truly good and follow all the silly rules and still get dealt some shitty cards. In my opinion, there is no “black” or “white” magic. Even the fluffiest “white” magic has some element of selfishness and imposition of your will. Some people don’t agree with that line of thinking.

I too am not mocking you. I understand these questions and fears as I had them myself once upon a time. I certainly don’t have all the answers now but I’m not hung up on some silly dogmatic rules which are designed to hold me down. My suggestion: study all paths of magic. They are numerous and can be overwhelming but one will speak to you if you’re meant to walk that path. Further, go to YouTube and look up all of EA’s videos. Watch them. Yes, all of them. He will answer your questions about demonic possession, black magic, karma, the dangers of summoning demons and pretty much anything else. After that, go to the main site and read, read, read. Loads of info there that can answer almost every question you may have. EA has knack for stripping away the bullshit and taking away the scary mysticism and stigma of summoning and magic. You may very well not agree with him but he knows his stuff and he won’t blow smoke up your ass.[/quote]

thank you my good man, can you help me with sigil magic? is it safe for me to do sigil magick on the weather? I know you can get demons that have the right attributes and shit, but will you attract any demons/spirits if you do sigil magick for the weather? I want it to snow tomorrow, so I will obviously write down the sigil and the phrase. But will I get demons? Even though I don’t need demons/spirits for the weather… or do you only conjure the spirits for when doing love, money, and health sigils?[/quote]

I’m a woman but there’s no way you could have known that. As some other wiser person already stated, messing with the weather isn’t a great idea. While I don’t buy into the concept of karma (not the way most people throw it around anyway), cause and effect is a very real thing. It’s one thing to do a spell or to summon a demon for some money or some sex from the hottie down the block but it’s quite another to do a spell to make a huge change that could really devastate or, at the very least, screw with the lives and livelihood of others. I live in the southern United States by the gulf of Mexico where it snows once in a blue moon. I get the desire to want a white Christmas/New Year’s but I’m not going to screw with the environment to fulfill a whimsical desire. It’s easier to go where it snows.

You need to study at least the very basics before you try to make it snow. I’m not saying you need to cloister yourself away and study for years but it’s obvious you’re trying to walk before you crawl. It would also behoove you to understand that magic, spells or spirits aren’t going to turn the world on its head to make you happy. Watch EA’s videos, read the forum, read some of EA’s books and forget about the snow for the time being.[/quote]

Can you please explain to me WHY it is dangerous if I use a sigil to make it snow? I mean, it’s only snow…Do you mean the spell can have negative effects on you personally?[/quote]

I’ll put it more simplistically than others have - screwing around with situations that affects an entire city/region/whatever is not only dangerous, it’s fucking stupid. Did you ever stop to think that the snow you want to play around in (or whatever you want it for) can cause car accidents that can kill people? How about the fact that a freak snow storm can damage crops and kill farm animals and virtually bankrupt people whose livelihoods depend on those crops and animals? What about the people who aren’t prepared for a freak snow storm? Some people don’t have homes - they can die of exposure. Some people don’t have the money for warm clothing, fire wood, heating, etc. They can die. Anyone of these thoughts pop up into your head at any time? I’d say no or you wouldn’t keep asking why it’s so dangerous for you to create some winter wonderland.
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So what? To paraphrase Uncle Chuckie, if you want to do something, you have the ability to do something, and there are no negative consequences to the action for you, then it is within your right to perform said action. You need not be concerned with the consequences to other people outside of your self and your loved ones.[/quote]

Yeah, I’m pretty liberal in my stance regarding magic, spells, etc. so you needn’t preach to me. I’m one of the last people who will say, “Oh noes! Don’t do a love spell because free will!” but I do believe someone should think about what the hell they’re doing before attempting to unleash some bullshit into the world. As I said, all magic has an element of selfishness to it so I don’t necessarily buy into that rule of three/do no harm stuff. If I wanted to be fair or nice all the time, I would just let life play itself out and I sure as shit wouldn’t work with demons.

When and if I do something, I think it through because those seemingly meaningless consequences that may befall people I don’t know and couldn’t give a shit less about may very well affect me. As super cool as seems to be to act like other people are disposable morons who are just in your way, that kind of bull in a china shop 'tude usually ends up biting you in the ass. Rule of three, karma, reaping what you sow, whatever - no one in this world gets to play dictator for life.

The OP isn’t even asking for something that is tangible which was the point in the first damn place. If you wanna see snow, do a money spell and take your ass to Switzerland. Screwing with an entire ecosystem and manipulating the weather is a wee bit out of bounds for someone who hasn’t yet figured out how to open a sigil and still gets the willies when they read a demon’s name. But yeah, we should totes encourage newbies to try to do something far out of their depths. Then we get to read the “Y Didn’t this work? Magic Sux!!!11” threads.

I agree one should think before working their magick and I never once said you shouldn’t consider other people. My position is that the consequences to others should not be the primary consideration for engaging in any act of magick.
I caused it to snow where I am, through an act of willed intent. It inconvenienced many people and I’m sure it caused a few accidents because the morons down here don’t know how to drive in it but I don’t care. I find falling snow to be far better than the constant rain we usually get for winter. However, while it is not a common occurrence, it does happen naturally on occasion, so my act of magick did not screw with weather patterns or the ecosystem in any meaningful away and only lasted for two days. Two enjoyable days. If I lived in a desert where it doesn’t snow at all, the consequences would have been far greater (to the environment, to me and to others), not to mention the magick would have been far more difficult, so I would be less likely to do it.