And those that say they “believe” you will have you locked up in a mental asylum, the Western world isn’t all that open-minded since the “Enlightenment”.
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You think you’re better off in Asia or anywhere else? 
don’t think so.
Well, it’s better than South Africa. I meant in the spiritual sense. Since the Enlightenment every aspect of European society has become ignorant and narrow-minded regarding things their little textbooks can’t explain.
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Also, unlike them, we lost our indigenous cultures and are only slowly regaining them. It’s an admirable thing. The great roman Ovid once said : “It’s right to learn, even from your enemies.”
you might be surprised, i feel like my friends in asia (a country i wont disclose) are more ready to talk about this stuff than my friends in france because they’re raised with a belief in magic, albeit in a more superstitious fearful sense
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Not everything was lost, not where I live at least. There’s alot of knowledge and Old customs that have been passed down to the next generation for centuries. I live in the countryside…
Also, young people in Japan for example don’t know that much about their old beliefs and Gods anymore, it’s not different than in our society.
And other societies aren’t more open-minded about magic. There’s some stuff that is accepted almost everywhere, healing for example. But talk to someone in South Asia about baneful stuff, you think they will be open minded about it? Nah.
And I’m not even gonna start about the situation in Islamic countries, cause I might get political
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Well said, this is exactly my point. In the West the world is approached from the assumption that everything can be predicted by the little we actually know about it. In the East they’re more open-minded to being wrong, and to things that are not explained within the current scientific paradigm.
In Japan. This is not the case in less developed nations. I get where you’re coming from because I’m also Eurocentric by nature. But that doesn’t mean I believe in being bias, I believe in absolute honesty, without absolute honesty you can never learn, never improve, and never overcome.
If we didn’t learn from the gunpowder brought to us by the Mongols, then the Chinese dynasties would have conquered us first, because they were developing their own versions of firearms. If they did not learn from us, they’d be driving around in donkey carts, and wouldn’t have industrialized economies. I believe in learning from anyone, bias doesn’t apply to learning.
And yet I live in South Africa where muti, or magic is pretty common. Rural China and Taiwan are also pretty open to magic. I think you speak more from bias and assumption than from experience.
I never said that wasn’t the case, there is orthodoxy in even Taoism, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re more receptive to the idea of spirits and magic.
I feel the same way.
I think you’re reading something into my comments that isn’t there.
There are certain aspects of magic that is accepted in almost (!) every society. And there are aspects that are not accepted.
Am I biased? You said “we lost our indigenous cultures” but that’s not really true either, as I already explained.
I just really don’t like the statement “The west isnt open-minded cause people will call me crazy if I tell them about demons.” Cause basically nobody cares. You can do what you want. Yeah, maybe your neighbour will call you crazy when he hears you screaming to Lucifer in the middle of the night. But you won’t get thrown from a building by an angry mob.
You mistake what you say for fact. There’s a reason paganism needs to be reconstructed, because we lost so much.
Obviously, this is why the branch of Taoism I’m into is the Mao Shan sect which is heterodox. However, black magic is a larger fixture in their societies than in ours, and if you don’t think that’s the case, then I suggest you go meet some Javanese Shamans, Northern Thai Buddhists, and some heterodox Taoist sects, you would be surprised.
Sure, I won’t get thrown from a building by an angry mob, I agree. However I might get thrown into a mental asylum and forced to take drugs while they conduct human experiments on me. Much more humane.
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Yeah, maybe if you run through the streets naked shouting “LUCIFER IS REEEEEAAAAL!”
Or if I’m a selected for programs that branched off from MK Often and MK Search. Or maybe they’ll try to try use some of their theories from the gateway process on me. You probably don’t know what I’m talking about right? Have a look - Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)
I’m not going to waste my time arguing with somebody who clearly has an aversion to facts. Not about to get banned for some kind of grudge you have against me. If you want to flaunt your ego you’re welcome to pm me so I can educate you further. Have a pleasant evening.
I was going to write a long text, but I’m gonna go with this:
