Hey guys,any ideas on how to go about using majick and evocation to have a lifetime supply of abundent wealth?Maybe an angel from Tiphareth being the realm of health,wealth,and abundance?When working with Salas’ash you’re suppose to just realease your desire for wealth and he provides it.what if the desire wwas great enough?We are gods why should we have to work unless we enjoy iy?
The thing I noticed about money and the occult is that the occult will always provide a way for you to make money, but you have to do a great deal of work here in the physical world. I am not saying that you can’t get a lifetime of abundant wealth with evocation, I am just saying that would will have to do a LOT of work to manifest your desire. (I.E. be willing to work overtime and then invest that money, or finding new business ventures.) I work with Barakiel and Zadkiel a lot and they have helped me manifest a lot of extra money in a sales job I had.
I would get ahold of “Financial Sorcery” by Jason Miller, it is a great book designed to help occultist better understand money and how to use magic to obtain and grow your finances.
Sorry this post is a little light on the occult aspect and heavy on the mundane advice, but that is how I have noticed money and the occult work. Also I am not saying that you are trying to find a “quick fix” or a one and done evocation. Just giving my 2 cents.
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To do this effectively, I don’t think any single entity will be able to easily do it, you’ve got to gain some mastery of your godform, and maybe have some financial entities do some details of what your godform sets up if you use it to these ends.
Yes I understand there’s no one spell to bring you money forever,I’m just saying me personaly the occult has quickly become my passion.When I’m at work all I think about is getting home and stepping into my ritual chamber.Hell I even do walking meditations at work,and even brought a demonic sigil to meditate on in the bathroom on my lunchbreak lol.I guess I’m saying I want to be a sorcerer for a living.I love the job I have now (I work in a nursing home) it’s fulfilling when you know you’ve made an elder smile whose family has long forgotten about them,but I’m just not making enough money.My main goal is to become the master of my universe,and have the best life possible for me and my daughter.Sorry for the personal rant I tend to get off topic alot,but I would like to hear some insight on JUST being a majician.
Invoke some sun spirit and Youtube!
Well,
NOW you are getting to that which you REALLY want! This is a great place to start. What I’ve been doing for several months now is once a week I work on my Pact Workings.
I’m desiging the next 3 years of my life. This plan of mine is helping me realy look at that which is important in my life and whatr makes me happy. From their…the money shall flow.
For me it’s about what things I can do that I love AND make money at at the same time! Now mind you, this is in the planning phase still…i have not settled on an entity yet. Probably will be Azazel…not sure yet and it’s not important yet.
What IS important right now is that i get my own emotional lnadscape sorted out before I truly commit to myself, a Grand Demon, and our Pact.
This pre-planning is assisting me in getting focused.
jus my 3 cent!
I think the best thing then is to pick a spirit and start evoking. Once you start you will be surprised at the way doors open up for you. I can tell you that my life gets better after each and every evocation, I get things that I am not even looking for (my current job, money showing up out of nowhere as a gift, etc) It seems that the more we connect with power, the more power works in our lives to make them better.
Just my four cents, four cents cause I have to one up Mode 
M_K I appreciate your perspective, I have been looking at that, and seeing some “financial magick” (which takes some pop-financial concepts and mixes with some magical-ideas… each alone sound ok, but not as fully activating Magickal, nor even being in the Financial Realm (start a hobby-biz, info product and reduce expenses- is good in a subject level, but there are not issues that those that “Can Make Money” focus on…
whether they were raised in the families of wealth, or had great wealth and lost it- Donald Trump going a Bln in Debt had no funds to further RE develop… so he then followed such ideas? -it would be a few lifetimes starting from zero with those working-concepts.)
- but directly Evoking/learning from/co-operating with? Jupiter/wealth (sun, earth- whichever)… if one can actually tap those arch-currents, one shouldn’t just have the top techniques those that make money (like in a few weeks pull together a project to net 10K+…) but not just those, working with the Arche-Currents of Prosperity themselves, one should have a whole new level of the game.
So the above is not to say the discussion is not a good topic, nor that it is far away (one may have the feeling of “its not here yet” per ‘I need XYZ before I can have’… thus needing to earn it/change for it… etc)
Finding what one can reach-for, yet isn’t (self-defined) “out of reach” ~ part of the Goal-Ritual Process-
As I’ve described in previously there are three levels of magnitude (follower/employee, Leader, and Creator/Owner-Capital- such that the second expands from the first, the third beyond the first and second [CEO, let alone EVP and all management is in the first “follower of directives” category]
Anyway- way too much info (look what happens when doing a big Magick-Working last night then TaoistChiGung this morning, I breakthru a bit, and signin to forum- so any en-thus relate to that)…
but if just looking at the first “lvl” and seeing how to develop Wealth, that sets the Area of Affect differently (both “opening-up” the blockages and SEEing/Vision ReVeals, as well as activating certain connections both Evoking Contacts, as well as EnFusing your Sphere of Avail (one’s RealAura)-
I think the above way to Setting up of the Whorl-Shape (general criteria) is better than trying to target a specific person/persuade or co-group… as opens up the possibilities, not that ‘magic doesn’t work that way’ as so many articles write
(one can “wish” another to sickness, submission, or even death (Baneful) and yet not change their life_path? it seems the second is an issue, but a much LESS impact than the first… so some speaks on Occult that say Baneful magic isn’t possible… ok for them, but if one can, then Lesser-Manipulations… so as they quote in Inception “You’ve got to dream a little bigger.” ok a little rant, but hopefully someone might sense all I write is all about a singular point (thus the same rant 
So to jump, as one of my first posts on this forum, I mentioned what I found (in different points of my life I was in each, as well as others I’d Worked with)- there being different Currents Active:
One can do sorcery to get results while one’s life flows in between, vs
One can be affecting one’s life-path directly with the Sorcery one is working (so more of an interactive fluid-reaction… as well as different results are being triggered inside), vs
Deeper everything may shutdown when one is being “convinced” and focused on developing a new Aspect (usually in a blind-spot, so in order to push you into that corner, first all else goes weird, else just continue to Edge it Out)… and Perhaps a Fourth
One Contacts a Something Else which doesn’t Appear in your Enviro directly, nor is it Just in your Mind, but just being in Contact with that Behind the Curtain changes ripple and expand (this paragraph was a clumsy stab-ex but ReVeals ItSelf Beyond the first three (ie its not about something in one’s Known, one’s Thoughts don’t Expand by thinking an Idea the current Thought came up with…)
Anyway- <Starting from zero in each post-comment is different requires either a compact burst of ideas, or else just a “yeah- ABC” type response, in my mind, so I try for the first and end up with these type of comments> so I find that trying to Make Changes (in general-expansion VS specific I want 123) are Affected by which of the four Currents one is active in…
and whether one sets up an expanding Employment, vs Blossoming a Project/Event, or perhaps is DrawnInto a Network of Indivs that have ReSources and Contacts...
or separately if one is a Sorceror (perhaps by Hiring out one’s services/consults to Others, thus the First Lvl, -
vs by Funding Flows Expanding- feeding Energy and Con directly into that <which could be a biz one is Associated with, Others develop, a Trusteeship/Retainer for AttorneyinFact acting as Agent/ sitting on a Board, helping to ‘Connect A&B in a certain way and place and adding Cinfo’ —or whatever else happens to arise, its what one is focusing on
(like reading from an incantation written-down or memorized, vs speaking in flow, vs Channeling/Tongues/Possessed speaking the Words/Sounds to Solidify that which is directing you… in that last one- Which I find most interesting, but still in progress- in that method one isn’t focusing Upon the Words used… nor has one labored to develop them/planned the Rite etc. But one could hear that and think- one doesn’t need the System? someone has to Do Something… I’ll try just winging it (phrases that come up in Magick or Finances, let alone both- and yet being in Energetic-Nexion as a Conduit is a bit different than that… )
Long-short- I find that the “known Entities” don’t seem to be Portals I find great Changes from (perhaps just my blockage, or my prep-immersion) but it seems as the Known Names are more Entwined in the Pattern… but asking one of those (perhaps a name mentioned in above comments, but an Entity one has sympatico with, as well as a sense of that Being willing to work with you in this Particular change) for a reference to another ~Off the Beaten Path so to speak…
at times I’ve asked 2 or even 3 for pointers to a place-Energetic Current, they may or may not directly relate, but those become ‘an Area’ that I focus on a while… and an Energetic ReTuning happens and then I may Contact one in that Place (a Strange energy-feel, ie outside of my prior known).
and then from further pointers to a second referral (thus Introduction)... I find Working with Entities of that Final (or even Energetic Currents as a Wave of Change-Development, which have their Goals)
< < <writing to here my thoughts-words scrambled, and rather than force more of that idea- maybe this will give ideas parsing it out… so I’ll end aboveMsg here> > > ugh on quick review- long msg, but the forum isn’t systematic in our on-going Seekings as each walk solo-seeking.
Mainly my hope is that many of the other referenced books/Authors comments upon this subject might be freshly examined… and I for one think this Thread-subject is worthwhile, but only if repeatedly one working upon it “goes back to the Drawing Board” so to speak -reexamine first principles as sooo much of our Social Culture has Memes on this Subject that entangle… and yet by definition, that’s no longer on the Edge.
[quote=“Mode_439, post:6, topic:1747”]For me it’s about what things I can do that I love AND make money at at the same time! Now mind you, this is in the planning phase still…i have not settled on an entity yet. Probably will be Azazel…not sure yet and it’s not important yet.
What IS important right now is that i get my own emotional lnadscape sorted out before I truly commit to myself, a Grand Demon, and our Pact.
This pre-planning is assisting me in getting focused.
jus my 3 cent![/quote]
You can go that route, but like I said before imo, it would work best if you had a bunch of different guys helping you out in different areas to help structure your ideal life. I’m in the process of doing this, and don’t get me wrong, Azazel has been a huge help, but I there are plenty others who have also played important roles and I know that I couldn’t have gotten this far nearly as easily without their help. also what I said before about learning to access your godform is important too. Remember its good to rely on your own power, but its also good to accept helping hands from specialists too, if you do both you’ll go far.
Yeah the only thing I see myself doing and enjoying it is music.I play heavy metal guitar,but I’m a bit rusty so maybe evoking an entity that teaches all arts would be a good start. I still have yet to have a successful evocation,so I think I’m gonna finally order the Mastering Evocation Course.I don’t however want to be in some famous band,mainly because your life is always in the spotlight and I like my privacy.Maybe enhance my abilities with the guitar and become a successful teacher.I’d like to hear how some of you are planning your lives through majickal practice.This could spark some inspiration in all of us!
[quote=“Orismen, post:7, topic:1747”]I think the best thing then is to pick a spirit and start evoking. Once you start you will be surprised at the way doors open up for you. I can tell you that my life gets better after each and every evocation, I get things that I am not even looking for (my current job, money showing up out of nowhere as a gift, etc) It seems that the more we connect with power, the more power works in our lives to make them better.
Just my four cents, four cents cause I have to one up Mode :)[/quote]
This is great Orismen.
Specially I consider an important thing your quote: “It seems that the more we connect with power, the more power works in our lives to make them better” . I think that this quote can be applied too to money, the most we are connected to money ( in the right mood, magic, new ideas, creativity, talent etc) the more money works in our lives, but I think that a plan is absolutely need, no only magic.
By the way Orismen how many time you taked to perform a complete and succsseful evocation? Did you boufght the mastering evocation course or you only read the Koetting´s books? thanks for your answer.
Oscar
If you mean successful as in I got results,well all my evocations have been successful, not saying that to brag I just believe that anytime we reach out to an entity it reaches back.
However if we are talking about getting results that I wanted, that would be back in Oct of 2012 when I read Evoking Eternity and Hands on Chaos Magic. Both books have been instrumental into shaping me into the magician I am today.
The most successful evocations have been following what is outlined in E.E. and the mastering evocation course. (though I have not had as much time to read occult subjects thanks to my last year of college rearing its ugly head).
I have E.A.'s Complete Works, and both the divination and evocation course and thanks to that the last 6 months of my life have been FULL of Spirits, Demons, and Angels and the POWER they bring.
“Just my four cents, four cents cause I have to one up Mode :)”
Aw shucks O-man!
[quote=“defectron, post:9, topic:1747”][quote=“Mode_439, post:6, topic:1747”]For me it’s about what things I can do that I love AND make money at at the same time! Now mind you, this is in the planning phase still…i have not settled on an entity yet. Probably will be Azazel…not sure yet and it’s not important yet.
What IS important right now is that i get my own emotional lnadscape sorted out before I truly commit to myself, a Grand Demon, and our Pact.
This pre-planning is assisting me in getting focused.
jus my 3 cent![/quote]
You can go that route, but like I said before imo, it would work best if you had a bunch of different guys helping you out in different areas to help structure your ideal life. I’m in the process of doing this, and don’t get me wrong, Azazel has been a huge help, but I there are plenty others who have also played important roles and I know that I couldn’t have gotten this far nearly as easily without their help. also what I said before about learning to access your godform is important too. Remember its good to rely on your own power, but its also good to accept helping hands from specialists too, if you do both you’ll go far.[/quote]
D!..FoSho. Hell, I’ve already had two Personal Consults with E.A. man…he’s been a BIG help!
So of course! No one is 100% “Self made”. We ALL need help/assistance from other’s who have walked a lil further on The Path of Discernment.
Hey defectron…can you elaborate a little bit more on “accessing one’s own GodForm”?
[quote=“Mode_439, post:14, topic:1747”][quote=“defectron, post:9, topic:1747”][quote=“Mode_439, post:6, topic:1747”]For me it’s about what things I can do that I love AND make money at at the same time! Now mind you, this is in the planning phase still…i have not settled on an entity yet. Probably will be Azazel…not sure yet and it’s not important yet.
What IS important right now is that i get my own emotional lnadscape sorted out before I truly commit to myself, a Grand Demon, and our Pact.
This pre-planning is assisting me in getting focused.
jus my 3 cent![/quote]
You can go that route, but like I said before imo, it would work best if you had a bunch of different guys helping you out in different areas to help structure your ideal life. I’m in the process of doing this, and don’t get me wrong, Azazel has been a huge help, but I there are plenty others who have also played important roles and I know that I couldn’t have gotten this far nearly as easily without their help. also what I said before about learning to access your godform is important too. Remember its good to rely on your own power, but its also good to accept helping hands from specialists too, if you do both you’ll go far.[/quote]
D!..FoSho. Hell, I’ve already had two Personal Consults with E.A. man…he’s been a BIG help!
So of course! No one is 100% “Self made”. We ALL need help/assistance from other’s who have walked a lil further on The Path of Discernment.
Hey defectron…can you elaborate a little bit more on “accessing one’s own GodForm”?[/quote]
Yeah I can only access mine under very certain cercumstances, such as if I get put in an altered state by my occult teacher. But when I do get there and manage to access it, I can get some crazy stuff to happen. Unfortunately my method isn’t really something you can easily do without anothers help though, but its shamanic circle rituals that are used to induce it.
Another method I have heard of is to remove your chakras, from apprently this sling shots you to the higher planes where you become your godform, but I also hear this can be dangerous to do this too. The only time I succeeeded in removing my chakras, I was already in my godform, I still don’t know why the hell I was doing that but apprently my godself wanted to do something to them, not sure what.
You may want to look into an entity that focuses on your area of expertise job wise. I’ve worked with Marbas in this way, as I am a machinist. Finding one who can help you with your own skills may be benificial.
you’ll have to do a complete overhaul on yourself to achieve wealth.
for the greater magick part, you may want to do an evocation of each of the pentacles cards in the tarot, one after the other. the story of the pentacles is the path to fortune.
if you follow the story of the pentacles, you notice the following: the ace of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/pa.htm) gives the foundation of prosperity and two of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p2.htm) provides the mindset for prosperity. three of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p3.htm) provides the key to long-term prosperity which is teamwork.
i’ve been reading a lot on business and entrepreneurship and in today’s startup world, the startup business plan cuts to the chase and begins by defining the business type, four statements (purpose statement, vision statement, and mission statement), and team structure. then it creates a quick prototype mock-up and test-markets that to test demand. all of these ideas fall in line with the pentacles suits named above.
the next three cards outline the things that kill most businesses before they prosper. four of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p4.htm) is about the sins of business which are different than the sins of ethics: business sins are lack of flexibility, fear, selfishness (which in business is avarice), selflessness (which in business is lack of self-confidence), and pride. they aren’t sins leading to shame, they are sins leading to ineffectiveness. five of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p5.htm) is the card of poverty, which is hemmed in by both the four of pentacles, and the negative backstepping of the six of pentacles. the combination of four and six lead to five.
the defining card which is the six of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p6.htm) is an either-or card. it defines whether you will make it or not. in order to make it in wealth you have to have capital/resources, practical knowledge, and the ability to persuade and lead teams. with all of these things you go forward in the pentacles. without them you go backward to the five of pentacles.
continuing forward, the seven of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p7.htm) covers decision-making and study. the eight of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p8.htm) covers effort and application, it is apprenticeship. the nine of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p9.htm) covers coming into one’s own in wealth. it is at this point that one has finally arrived and the look of wealth is finally made plain. up until the nine of pentacles wealth is never apparent. the ten of pentacles (http://www.learntarot.com/p10.htm) is where wealth is laid aside for future generations. that is the old money card.
i’m not going to deal with the trump cards, just the ace to ten. they tell the story of the journey to wealth.
it takes a long time to achieve real lasting wealth, it never happens overnight. easy come, easy go. to really understand the journey to wealth, read biographies by the tycoons of the past.
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