It’s more like you insulted someones religeon tbh
I’ve noticed if you have zero guilt about using baneful magick nothing happens to you. There’s no karma, there’s only guilt creating negativity. So, make sure you have none. I never do, everyone deserves what they get. To be godlike isn’t to be all good, it’s to be just and powerful. Bending the universe to your will. Good and evil are human concepts it’s why entities known as Angels can be called to terrible things the same way a Demon can or they both can do miraculous life saving things. If you believe scum deserves to die, then that is your truth, what you’re willing to do is up to you.
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I merely recommended caution.
Thank you Blade_Brooks.
I respect that kind of resolve. Lack of guilt and is going to be something I have to work on man, this is tough. 
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No one can be as amoral as higher entities, you just need to shift your stance on many things, comes easier to some than others. Easy for me because I lack what many would say a full conscience but I’ve learned, you give empathy to those who deserve it and to ones that wronged you or someone you love, or someone that’s done a great injustice to others in a great way, they don’t deserve any empathy. I can curse someone for a petty disagreement and not care but I don’t because it’s been known to change a person relying on baneful magick for everything this way when some things aren’t necessary, but as long as you’re willing to accept what you’re doing is right there’s nothing to worry about. Too many people are fearful about what might become without accepting what is and there’s always a debate about Karma which to me is silly.
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I have split a large number of posts out of this that were preaching karma and morals, they can be found here: Removed posts
Reminder of the following forum rule:
OP has stated intent to study hermetic principles, please refrain from moral preaching on this topic.
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Thanks so much for your moderation. I want to make the smartest choices and am open to guidance, but as you picked up on, there is a difference between guidance and moralizing.
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Yes, that member stated their intent was to deter you so there was nowhere to go from that. Also, you mentioned you’re studying hermetic principles so that covered the somewhat-related posts made there.
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I do have some special rituals that I keep set aside for the worst offending parties that have anything to do with my life, however, the simplest solution would be to send certain beings after them. I recommend either Andras from the Lesser key, creating a death servitor to burrow into this person’s Aura and eventually kill them with illness, or, utilizing chaos magick, see if you can get 47 to go after him.
The World of magick is limited by your imagination. And as far as doing something to do with morality, this is magick, do whatever the hell you want.
As Belial once said through EA koetting, do what you will is no longer the law, there is no law.
And, to quote EA himself: I care not if you use your power to heal or hurt, only that you use it.
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Ok and what protections should I have in place for myself so that I don’t suffer any unintended reverse tragedy?
If you are working with the Threefold Law of Return you need to be prepared to potentially lose something of equal or greater value, such as your own freedom for example. This is not to say that you will definitely receive reflected damage, you may get lucky and escape relatively unharmed.
A ritual which would result in the removal of someone who has caused you irreparable damage would be some of the strongest magic, even to the point of not really being a spell and entering the realms of transmogrification.
Due to human departure from Nature as a collective, humans have become domesticated and hyper-sensitised to violence. Because of this variable, doing a ritual which would allow you to embody or be possessed by a vengeful god or spirit would first require you to strongly visualise yourself ending him and gauge how it makes you feel; could you carry such an act on your shoulders for the rest of your life? Or better yet, could you step over the act entirely once completed? If the answer is yes, then you’ll have accepted on a subconscious and unconscious level that only you can obtain justice through your own strength. Although you can be motivated by gods,demons,spirits etc. which is why ritual is still necessary.
I wasn’t talking about a woman being put in the situation more like him feeling how you felt being degraded and asslted and feeling like he is less of a man even more then he is feeling to make him break…ma’am on man kinda thing… But drA’talon would probably torture him twenty times over more then that…
Oh ok I see…that’s a good idea.
Attack his manhood.
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When you use drA’tlon what do you use to protect yourself from backlash and from unintended consequences of the curse?
How do you prepare yourself emotionally to call on him?
How do you close your spells and psychologically retract / close yourself off from the lingering energy?
Stop thinking that there will be a negative repercussion, and there will be no negative repercussions. I work with so-called evil spirits all the time, I don’t have negative repercussions for working with them because I don’t expect that there will be, therefore, because I am a god, there will not be negative repercussions for killing people with magic.
Just kill the motherfuker already. Stop trying to psych yourself out of it. I can name thousands of different beings, and quite a few different servitor is that I could create that I could gift to you that would go out there and do the job for you, but you have to get over this limiting crap of thinking that if you do something negative that a metaphysical boogeyman is going to bite you in the ass down the road!
For crying out loud, just do the ritual already. We’ve named dozens of beings, we’ve told you there will not be a problem if you do the ritual, so just do the damn ritual already!
If you’re worried about the threefold law, I will give you a way to word your request to the spirits to ensure that you do not get any sort of blowback.
“Oh great spirit, please rain down righteous judgment and Unholy anger upon this person of whom I speak. Ensure that no harm befalls me, my friends, my family, or anybody else that I care about, or that I will have a positive influence within the future. Go forth and make my will manifest, it is done.”
Then forget about the entire thing, eat a sandwich, watch TV, watch some porn, take a shower, anything to get your mind off of the ritual. Let the spirits handle the rest, do not try to check up on it, do not look into it, do not monitor that person to see how they’re doing. The moment that you forget about doing the ritual is generally when these things come to pass.
I’m not trying to get onto you, I’m not trying to belittle you, but the string of replies on this thread literally looks like you’re trying to find an excuse not to do the ritual.
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I’m just new, that’s all.
I’m new and want to consider every persons input that I’ve come across, and I’m trying to make the smartest decisions.
I appreciate you.
Thanks for your guidance.
That’s the actual fact of the matter but to fully recognise it a certain degree of self-knowledge is required. Until that time, go ahead with your ritual work and give it everything but there are always consequences to you as well even if he dies or whatever. From the consequences–whether positive or negative–you cannot escape no matter how much you try unless you can actually delete all memory of the ritual and the anger.
I tried something simple last night. I didn’t call on any spirits, didn’t call for actual death in this round, but an act of violence.
I had strong intention and focus but didn’t have a good way to break myself out of and clear the energy once I was done.
Unknown_occultist believes that is an easy thing to do.
Since I have never done this before. I need to understand what immediate steps I need to take, what inner alchemy I need to learn in order to forget and cut myself off from the energy.
I don’t feel I’ve done it as thoroughly as I need.
The smartest decisions are the ones that you make. You have god-like power within you, you can heal, hurt, destroy, rebuild.
Once you realize that these things are possible oh, then you will embrace your inner God like potential. Once you understand that nothing is outside of your reach, and that, even though it seems like childish pantomiming and play-acting on the outside, that you are truly manifesting immense, and measurable, phenomenal power within yourself that you were sending into the universe to be made manifest, then things really start to fall in place.
You have this power, you have the potential to create wondrous, or terrible things at your own desire.
Sure, the first time you do a ritual like this, it really seemed silly, the flow of endorphins, the adrenaline Spike, the strange Fugue that descends why are you are in the Swoon of the spirit oh, it’s all very disorienting, and you may think that you’ve done it all to yourself, but whenever you start seeing the physical manifestation of these things happening, then that would never again be doubt in your mind.
It has been said that the Journey of a million miles begins with one step.
Welcome to your first step.
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