I may have discovered a hidden elemental aspect of the zodiac signs - elemental houses. This seems to fit perfectly into Kabbalah as well

I started thinking about why Capricorn and Aquarius have this water-side to them although they aren’t water signs. In the grander spiritual scheme, it makes sense to me that Neptune is the nr.1 spiritual planet (Planet of Pisces and we know the Platonic solid for water is the closest to ether) and that these strange, foggy spiritual messages have to be translated and mediated, the role of Capricorn and Aquarius is to do this via their respective planets. I would say inversion & spatial element for Uranus and structure & temporal element for Saturn.

If Capricorn and Aquarius are water-based, you could very much say that they are in the house of water , right? Then it makes sense that all the other elements must have their own houses where the signs are divided into the same principle:

House of fire - Aries, Taurus, Gemini.

House of earth - Cancer, Leo, Virgo.

House of Air - Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius.

House of water - Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces.

This makes perfect sense considering the elemental houses will be lacking the sign which is in opposition to the element, the house of fire has no water sign as water is in duality to fire, this is why the house of water also has no fire sign. The house of earth has no air sign because air element is in duality to earth element, the house of air has no earth sign for the same reason.

My line of thinking is partially inspired by Crowley’s Thoth tarot deck, those of you who don’t know, this deck combines tarot with astrology, alchemy and Kabbalah, I’ve been incredibly impressed by it so far. What I found interesting in the Thoth deck is how the knights represent fire, the princesses earth, the princes air, and the queens water. Then the suits are the houses, so wands are fire, disks earth, swords air and cups water. This means that for example, the knight of cups will be the fire of water, i.e. the fiery side of water such as a violent stream. The princess of cups will be the earth of water, like ice. The prince of cups will be the air of water, like mist.

So I’m suggesting to use the same kind of logic in my theory of elemental houses, although as opposed to the Thoth tarot, this system doesn’t allow for something like the fire in water or the earth of air, as these polarities cancel each other out. So we get:

Aries: The fire of fire

Taurus: The earth of fire

Gemini: The air of fire

Cancer: The water of earth

Leo: The fire of earth

Virgo: The earth of earth

Libra: The air of air

Scorpio: The water of air

Sagittarius: The fire of air

Capricorn: The earth of water

Aquarius: The air of water

Pisces: The water of water

I think this fits also fits quite nicely into Kabbalah, and I think this only validates the Kabbalah-astrology connection even further.

Kabbalah astrology

When plotting my system on the tree of life, we get the elemental houses in symmetrical triangles, interestingly the air triangle here connects to all the other 3 elemental triangles, I wonder what the significance of that is?

When plotting the traditional triplicity, we get this, here the fire and air triangle are symmetrical, while the earth and water triangles are asymmetrical. I don’t know how to interpret this, but it’s certainly significant and logical that all of the triangles here intersect at Tipheret, which is the middle of the tree and is represented by the sun, which of course everything revolves around.

I also realized a connection with how the fire and air signs are considered positive while the earth and water signs are negative. In the elemental houses, the positive houses will start with their cardinal sign, while the negative houses end with their mutable sign, this fits perfectly with the idea of negative-positive polarity!

Please come with any thoughts or ideas and share literature and resources that may give more insight into this, I really think I’m onto something here!

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How would this treat cusp signs?

Fascinating insight by the way!

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Fascinating. But I have learned that

is the House of Water and

is the House of Earth because the first Sign in all of these 4 quadrants is of the Element of the House.
That’s the reason why you go from South to West (Fire to Water) to East to North (Air to Earth) in the Watchtower Ritual.
But this theory you came up with is impressive and if it works for you - who knows what it can bring about.

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I haven’t thought so much about cusps in general, but if my system is true, then it suggests that the Virgo-Libra and Pisces-Aries cusps are the most paradoxical. Gemini-Cancer and Sagittarius-Capricorn will also have an additional elemental duality in them. Then the cusps that are inside of the elemental houses will be the most harmonious.

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Yes I know, but there are many different models for the 4 elements and the 4 directions, I don’t think there’s one universal model, but that each model represents different characteristics of the elements. The classic medicine wheel has South as Water, West as earth, North as air and east as fire. This is a map of the earth, while the system in the watchtower ritual is used for invoking entities.

The system I found seems to distinguish certain characteristics in the zodiac signs, a certain “coloring” in the same way an astrological house colors a planet/sign. We can for example see that Gemini has this fire coloring as its represented by Mercury and is a sign that is known for wanting to a lot of stuff very quickly, like fire. Cancer is represented by a crab, crabs don’t swim but they walk on the seafloor, the earth. Leo is represented by the lion, which is a pretty earthy animal considering how it lives. Sagitarrius is perfect in the house of air as it likes to travel around a lot, and is represented by an archer, which shoots arrows through the air.

I have yet to decode this system, but it certainly means something, I don’t know exactly what yet. I was very pleasantly surprised at how perfectly it fit on the tree of life, none of the other systems make a lot of sense when plotted on the tree, this is how the watchtower system looks like on the tree:

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Magnificent work!!!

Bookmarked

:snake:

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what’s there is not new. U can interpret whatever you want just a matter of making sense? don’t go making up weird stuff that don’t follow it’s foundation principles otherwise your analysis will be wrong. capricorn is earth not water. And your trying to mix up systems which isn’t good. we call that being too creative.

I am not really sure what you mean with that picture I’ll have to look at it some more. If for example Aries Taurus and Gemini are the Fire quadrant (like traditionally and you agree) than the paths are He, Vav and Zayn. I don’t know why you make a triangle of Geburah, Hod and Netzach - sorry I am tired and it probably is very clear.

But I don’t want to argue or discredit your findings. I already said

Oh I made the triangles between the respective planets of each sign since I have found this Kabbalah-astrology connection more legitimate, and it fits much better into the tree as you will see. But I did check the paths as well.

Here’s with my system:

With the watchtower system: I think here this system showcases the fire-water and earth-air duality better.

And here’s the traditional elemental triplicities:

I’m not getting so much from the paths, but I find it interesting that all the three paths in one element will be connected to each other and go via Tipheret except in the water/earth house where the Ayin path (Capricorn) doesn’t work with the others.

stop being só hateful!

poor assumption there. did you check your brain at the door? i like being realistic.

** “Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”**

― Buddha Siddhartha Guatama Shakyamuni

of course, but why use such rude language? try be more gentle :blush:

that’s your own interpretation.

I found this an interesting read. I think it is interesting how cancer is said to be an earth sign here I think that there may be some truth to that. Cancers seem to get along famously with the traditional earth signs.

It’s so funny that people are quick to say negative things when a regular member tries to create something. You have so-called renowed occult authors with best selling books riddled with inaccuracies which are eaten up. The new age occultists come out with a new system every few months. We really need to do better, it’s not like putting down this person makes you better.

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questioning things aren’t negative . especially when it don’t follow certain principles. There’s too many people mixing up many systems and saying it’s new that they created it. If one were to go back to foundation, the theory don’t make sense. To clam to find a new system without verification or sound foundation should not easily be trusted.
If questioning is negative then i’ll continue to do it as it helps me learn.

i think it’s more about the way you talk, not about what you talk. You can hurt the feelings of some good and shy people. Again, try be more gentle, even being negative.
If i don’t like your arguments, i can say “well, i don’t agree, for xyz reasons, maybe you can research more about abc!! but good job!!” instead of
“you are trash, fuck off.”

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well, i don’t see them words. 'you are trash, fuck off." in my post. so you still didn’t make your point. it’s your interpretation.

And being a troll on a 5 month old thread criticizing others is nice. gotcha!!