So, I have this ex, and for some time I wanted us to get back together. I admit, deep down, I still want it, and I still have feelings for him, even if it hurts a lot. He broke up, he was a total mf with me, didn’t even break up, he just said he’d “think fondly” and started ghosting me. After years together. We used to be best friends, even before dating, even when we broke up once before and were still best friends for a year. I want him to suffer, a lot, and I don’t know if it’s because I still have feelings for him, or if it’s because I want his suffering to mirror mine, but I want him to suffer while begging to have me back. Which he won’t, because I think I’d never be able to love him like before after what he did to me. Also, I’ve been contacting and talking to Rosier for like two weeks (he was my first spirit, I’m still a beginner) and now I have 4 guys into me, all of them interested in committed relationships. I think I already picked one, which was the last one I got after asking him to send me someone, and this guy (which I’ve known for years and dated in the past, but we stayed as friends for years) said I suddenly was “living rent free in his head for the past week” thanks to Rosier, probably. So, about my ex, what I’m planning is:
Break his currently existing friendships and relationships (even tho I don’t know all the people he’s close with, but I can start with people I knew he was close before breaking up)
Make him invisible and disgusting to people, but only after I can get rid of those already existing people
Make him stop with the meds, to make his mental health way worse
Make him fat and ugly, specially fat since it’s one of his biggest insecurities
Make him fail college
Probably send some demons to torment him
And, finally but ofc not least important, make him desperate and insane for me again
I actually thought on trying number 7 along with the others, like doing a love spell after every ritual. My list of demons to try to reach/ spells to do is this:
3rd pentacle of Mars to break the friendships I already can name, like his best friend and some friends. And I plan on reaching out to Amon to break all his another existing relationships which I don’t have knowledge of
Glasya-labolas. I heard he can make people invisible, and this can be useful to make him invisible in a sense to being all alone. I know this guy who also studied demonolatry, and he was the one who told me that
I don’t know which one to call for that, or which spell to do. I tried a freezing to stop him from starting the meds but I think it didn’t work, so maybe just a simple binding would do the trick? I thought on maybe a binding demon, but I don’t know if I want him to do it because he wants to, I want it to be taken away from him
Botis. That same guy I mentioned said botis can make someone “disfigured” in a sense of making them ugly. I also read that in Corwin Hargrove’s Goetia Pathworking book
I think probably a sour jar with some poppy seeds for confusion and cotton to fog his judgement. But is there a demon I can call for that? I’ve heard of demons to improve someone’s academic life, so can I call upon one of them and ask them to do the exact opposite?
6th Pentacle of Saturn.
Well, I think this one is a little more complicated, since it’s about to layer something that’s already a layer by itself. So I’ll divide it in letters:
A) Belial to make him think highly of me
B) Amon and Raum to reconcile us, make him forget all bad feelings he could have for me and wanna talk ahain
C) 5th seal of Venus to create love and passion
D) Call upon Rosier and Amon and ask them to make him fall in love with me and to overflow his heart with love for me + another simple candle/ jar spell
E) Dantalion, Orias and Amducias to change his thoughts into wanting to be my boyfriend again, but in an obsessive way. Like “I can’t be happy ever if we’re not a couple again, I need them or else I’ll be miserable forever”
F) Agares to bring him back to me, like to make us talk again etc
G) Sallos to make him love and wanna commit to me in a serious way
H) Seer to make him decide to talk me into being with him again, quickly
I) I also heard there’s an angel who can cause a deep real world shaker almost overwhelming love, but I can’t remember which one it was, will need to check
So, guys, what do you all think about this? How should I layer it? I realized it’ll take a LOT of effort, time and energy, specially to evoke each one of these demons separately, so in some readings I saw I can make like grand rituals to ask them for the same things, like a task force. So, for example, I’d ask Amducias Orias, Dantalion and Seer to make him change his mind as a “thought manipulative task force”. I just don’t know how to do it. Also, how will I know if I can already skip to the next task force or if the previous one is still working or won’t do my request? Can I ask that to tarot? Like “Did these demons accepted my request?”, “Can I already ask the next task force/ step of the plan?”, “What effects are this task force causing on him right now?”
I’m so, so sorry if this is a lot of text, but I admit I’ve been feeling lost and a little overwhelmed with all this. I’m also a huge book worm, so I’ve read all books I can imagine of, but feel like I need to practice more, but don’t have personal directions yet. Would really appreciate some help
Honestly, it sounds like a lot of work just for some guy who obviously doesn’t want to be with you. Why not let it go and focus instead on finding an actually fulfilling relationship? The best revenge is living well, after all.
What you’re describing of your former lover’s action doesn’t really fit all this unnecessary spell slinging. So he broke your heart and ghosted you? And? How does that “cause suffering?” It seems your suffering is all self induced.
I thought I’d find a comment like this, and I was about to say I don’t want lectures about moving on or stuff, because I tried, and I can’t do that completely knowing he will never feel bad for what he did.
No, I was just trying not to come in details about what he did. So, let’s say he cheated on me, first of all. He lied a lot during our relationship, always wearing that perfect guy mask, acting like I was crazy. Then, after one fight, I had a problem at home with my toxic ass mother, had a panic attack and tried to end myself. Spent the whole week at the hospital, with no communication, and during that I was thinking about life, including him, and that maybe it was my fault and I could do better. When I came home, he basically “broke up” with me, knowing what happened. He started giving a lot of excuses about the reason of that. Then he did what I told you. But the thing is that last year we had a similar situation, and after that he promised, crossed his heart and hoped to die he wouldn’t do that again, because I started developing huge trust issues when it came to him. And well, he did it anyway. Knowing it was one of the biggest traumas I’ve had. We’ve been together for years, so it wasn’t just “some guy”. I was there for him for almost all the biggest events of his life, and I’m almost sure the main reason he did that is because now he’s not a social awkward anymore and don’t need me for company. So yeah, this is the whole history, since you said this was “too work for some guy”. Don’t invalidate my feelings, please. I know this is what I need, I won’t be able to keep going with my life until I know I’m not the one in the worse anymore. I just need help with that, I already have friends giving me that move on speech
Thank you for elucidating more. Your original post made it sound like all he did was break up with you and ghost, which is a common occurrence in life and if you threw curses every time it happened, you’d have no time for anything else.
So what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Your lineup seems to be kind of a mash up between a love spell and a curse so what, exactly, is your ultimate goal for the target? Conflicting intentions lead to weak and confused results.
I was just a little embarrassed to tell the whole story, I’m already treating my mental health but this always makes me embarrassed, but I’m glad it made you understand the whole thing better
Well, my ultimate goal is to see him exactly in my place: wanting me, desperate to have me back, but we all know he won’t have me. Since he ditched me because now he’s doing better, looking hot, going out with new people, I want him to lose all that and the only thing left will be me: which he can’t have. So it’s not like a love spell, it’s more like obsession work. I think I framed my intentions badly. It’s more like making him obsessed and regretful. Because the only thing worse than losing someone you love/ want, is knowing it was your fault to begin with. I don’t wanna see him doing well, all of these is to accomplish nothing else but to make him feel like shit. I wanna play with his feelings, you know?
It looks like you already have a solid plan, and all you have to do is get into tutorial and work it.
You don’t need to do them in any particular order or reference other workings when doing another, you just do them when you have the time.
I would causing that obsession spells, especially under these circumstances, are prone to backfire and make you more obsessed and feel way worse while not affecting the target. I’d leave that until last and see what effect the other workings have on the energy dynamic.
Thanks. But I’m having some problems trying to understand the practical aspect of the process. How do I do a grand layered ritual with more than one spirit? Also read some threads here, and people were being advices to use the least amount of spirits they could, so for example, since I wanna ask Amon to break his relationships and therefore will already be trying to work with him, I could skip Raum and ask just Amon to help me reconciliate with him. I don’t wanna be redundant, so how would YOU phrase the incantations? Which spirits would you choose and for which purpose? I’m not new to magick in general, have been practicing witchcraft for over a year, but I’m pretty new to demonolatry and spirit work, would really appreciate some directions here. I already read a lot of threads and it has been useful, but I feel like I can’t find a situation similar to mine
Also, about the obsession, what would you advice me to do? Even tho the main goal is to ruin his life, I admit I want him to suffer a considerable amount because of me, since I want him to feel what I felt. I don’t wanna be the pathetic begging person anymore, I wanna be the one being chased and acting insensible to the other’s suffering. Also, I wouldn’t mind if he saw an ally in me, then I’d have the pleasure to make him trust me and then break this trust, just like he did to me many times
Thanks, but I don’t understand how this will help with the layering spell, I’m a little confused. Also, I already got new clothes and I’m already attending college, but thanks
Do nothing until the rest is complete and then evaluate, revenge is a dish best served cold.
Then proceed at your own risk. These usually backfire, or do nothing, but not always - because the feelings of hurt and wishing it hadn’t gone bad confuse things - you might get it perfect, but probably not when you are still highly emotional about it all.
Try adding doing a working on yourself to destroy all feelings of attachment.
You’re right, I think I was already planning on letting that one part for the last. Also, part of me thinks if he loses everything, he’d become more vulnerable. And you’re also right about revenge being better served cold, I wanna do things right
But if I’m not asking too much, could you help me with the first part of my question?
I’m confused on how to evoke more than one spirit to perform a ritual, I keep searching but I can’t find anything about this here
And this, since I’m more confused about the practical stuff
But I’ll also try to break my attachment in the future, as you said