[quote=“The Eye”]Hmm… Astaroth and Asmodeus are quite different spirits. I wouldn’t forget who tells me what.
It’s like saying “what did I eat yesterday ? Roasted pork… or maybe it was tuna fish” lol[/quote]
LOL! Actually, they make a very good team. Quite good for manipulating women xD
Howdy,
I thought I’d chime in here for the original poster looking for info on Abaddon the destroyer. I have detailed my experiences with this demon in the threads “The Four Kings and the Wheel of Death” and the thread “Hell Locusts” is all about Abaddon. I’ve done quite a bit of work with the four kings, the hidden sigils EA uses absolutely work, as well as the traditional sigils for Azazel and Belial shown above. But the truth is you do not need a sigil to call the demons first. A sigil is a simple way to connect with an entity, but his name, song or enn will work just fine. You can and should ask the demon for a personal sigil which you can use to summon the spirit with. Be careful with Abaddon, he will fuck you like a bitch if you’re not careful, hell he may fuck you even if you are. Talk to Necromaster about Abaddon, he’s undergone a possession with this demon.
Best of Luck,
Zecharyah555
And, for the sake of argument, I’ll reply to this as well:
Guess what:
I’m aware too. No further comment.
Wait, if you’re aware, then why the hell are you even typing this?
Where did I say I didn’t know the difference between an actual spirit and an egregore?
And because I’m bored, I’ll reply to this as well.
Using the TOBL sigil and this incantation: Azza Uzza Azziel Tuval-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Vul-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Tu-Baal-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Azarak-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Tubal-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Shemyaza-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Barzillah-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Nephilum-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Ben-Elohim-Qayin Azazel!
[quote=“Orismen, post:31, topic:2081”]And here are the questions the pop immediately to mind:
What if Azazal IS an egrigore, and always has been?[/quote]
Actually, that’s not a bad question, but this should be taken to another thread. But I admit, I’ve been thinking this same thing lately, regarding spirits. There’s no way you can prove the spirit wasn’t created by a human a very long time ago and programmed to say it existed forever lol.
So you’re saying EA or another one, for that matter, can create an egregore that’s more powerful than an ANCIENT spirit (egregore or not, as well)? Please…
They could always evoke a spirit and ask…
You can always ask, like I said.
I’m not saying anything.
Refer to the above replies.
[quote=“Elison, post:44, topic:2081”]And because I’m bored, I’ll reply to this as well.
Using the TOBL sigil and this incantation: Azza Uzza Azziel Tuval-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Vul-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Tu-Baal-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Azarak-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Tubal-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Shemyaza-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Barzillah-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Nephilum-Qayin Azazel! Azza Uzza Azziel Ben-Elohim-Qayin Azazel!
[quote=“Orismen, post:31, topic:2081”]And here are the questions the pop immediately to mind:
What if Azazal IS an egrigore, and always has been?[/quote]
Actually, that’s not a bad question, but this should be taken to another thread. But I admit, I’ve been thinking this same thing lately, regarding spirits. There’s no way you can prove the spirit wasn’t created by a human a very long time ago and programmed to say it existed forever lol.
So you’re saying EA or another one, for that matter, can create an egregore that’s more powerful than an ANCIENT spirit (egregore or not, as well)? Please…
They could always evoke a spirit and ask…
You can always ask, like I said.
I’m not saying anything.
Refer to the above replies.[/quote]
Well, I am glad that I alivated some of your boredom.
I will give the above incantation a try.
As for the rest, well for a few months I have come to the conclusion that asking the spirits is the best method. Orders and teachers are great and helpful and I will ALWAYS ask for reality checks from time to time (Thanks to everyone who gave Mol’zek a spin, that was a happy day) but who can I trust, well ultimately, just me and the spirits themselves. After a while everyone and everything becomes a crutch IMO.
But do I think that someone can create an egrigore that is more powerful than anything that exists, yup I belive that it is possible. Something created them, and I will become like that thing that created all this, and then I will surpass it… Or at least learn from it.
You can make an egregore that evolves past the things that are stronger then it, which is what I did and it’s a real beast right now and its only getting more powerful. But as they say there’s always someone stronger, thats the nature of infinity.
You can make an egregore that evolves past the things that are stronger then it, which is what I did and it’s a real beast right now and its only getting more powerful. But as they say there’s always someone stronger, thats the nature of infinity.[/quote]
That is ok, I literally have all the time in the world. 
Guess what:(Sigh) Sure I'll play...What?
Wait, if you're aware, then why the hell are you even typing this?
First of because everyone is not aware of what your speaking of also because its a valid point and because there is no proof to substantiate the claims that have been made elsewhere and only hinted at on this forum. People can make claims all they want but until proof is presented its only allegations. As well you will never be able to prove of disprove if another’s subjective experience is authentic.
Instead of acting like a 14yr old with a secret you can act like an adult and either speak up or be quiet orrrr let people come to their own conclusions which they will do regardless of your or my opinions.
Where did I say I didn't know the difference between an actual spirit and an egregore?Never said you didn't, your mighty defensive.
You said you’re aware too. Why don’t you do it?
So let me get this straight… You’re pissed off because I hint at something and make people ask themselves some questions (which, like you said, will lead them to their own conclusions). And I’m acting like a 14yr old? Interesting.
You said you’re aware too. Why don’t you do it?
So let me get this straight… You’re pissed off because I hint at something and make people ask themselves some questions (which, like you said, will lead them to their own conclusions). And I’m acting like a 14yr old? Interesting.[/quote]
One more time for the slow kids in class…
I was asked not to say anything and because I respect Divinator I honor his wishes. Also there is no evidence to support the claims besides subjective experience which is utterly fucking useless in a situation such as this. I’m glad Div decided to share his info with me and actually repect him as a magician who is putting in the work but I’m not so quick to jump to conclusions or choose sides as I honestly don’t give a damn either way. I took the information under advisement and got on with my own life and my own practice and projects.
Your not hinting at shit, your trying to flex that insecure ego of yours and feel as if your privy to something that others aren’t, just like you did with your greatest secret thread or whatever the hell it was called. When you start putting your own work first others gnosis will have little bearing on what you do or what you think.
You can’t remember which spirit told you something? Really? I call bullshit, sounds more like you come on here talking so much shit you can’t keep your lies straight.
Don’t flatter yourself buddy, I’m far from pissed, not even annoyed. I know your M.O. And this isn’t wizardforums and there are no rules about calling you on your bullshit here. You hear something and all of the sudden your an expert, you hop back and forth learning from magicians who actually put in the work and then come here acting like some Grand Poobah of the Magick Kingdom. I find you entertaining and little more than what you’ve been described as elsewhere a role player.
Regards
TWF
Just wanted to add yes, TOBL methods are extremely potent and thought provoking. If your looking for some heavy work and not to be spoon fed they are worth looking into. If your seeking an easy path with promises of shortcuts and tricks to get you there faster look elsewhere.
What the hell is TOBL?
Temple of Black Light
It is a dark order, and other than the fact that they had Lykania’s sigil I don’t know a lot about them, but I am researching and I like what I see.
Yea, never heard of it either. All these orders and all this… shit. I mean, with all these goddamn orders, are we really going to posture what is real or not. At some point, someone really started making shit up, including all these entities. Yet, somehow they worked… maybe reality is completely made up as you realize it? Ever think that might be the case people, that the difference between an “egregore” and a “real entity” is your own preference or focus of attention? Goodness… how can you ever be the “All Powerful Center” when you don’t even know what is “real” in your own reality, or have to debate and get into pointless conflicts about that reality? Shit is mad lame, and really can’t be that helpful to the OP.
I agree.
As in the Macrocosm (the occult culture) this thread (the microcosm) has turned into a “My Dick is bigger contest” I hope FDM finds Abaddon and in the end we should all take away the lesson to listen to yourself first.
And I am not trying to call anyone out. I am also aware of what Elison and TWF are referencing and it as caused me to once again take a hard look at my life. I need to see what I really know/believe and how it works in my life.
I think we all need to do that every once and a while.
Also, my Dick truly is bigger. #yolo
I think about this all the time. My Egregores already gotten stronger then some gods. I think to a degree at least that may be how things are with real entities, at the very least the way that they are represented tends to change between observations of different people. The next I get the chance I think I’ll try to check into this.
[quote=“Orismen, post:58, topic:2081”]And I am not trying to call anyone out. I am also aware of what Elison and TWF are referencing and it as caused me to once again take a hard look at my life. I need to see what I really know/believe and how it works in my life.
I think we all need to do that every once and a while.
Also, my Dick truly is bigger. #yolo[/quote]
That was the point I was trying to make, even after your still here and doing YOUR work for your ascent. Not once have you made comments that would cause others to question or doubt what they’re doing which is the worst thing you can do to a magician starting out. You didn’t go around dropping hints and acting elite because someone told you a secret.
As far as the various orders, temples and lodges I agree with 1gza, I could care less of ones alignments, goals or views. I care about the methods and the results they produce. That way the only dick I worry about is my own 
The only reason Inme filmed them was due to the fact that they’ve been receiving a lot of attention in this thread as well as others as of late. Their work has very abstract ideas and elements that force the magician to actually do the work to fully understand what’s being explained, and that’s what I like about it.