Djinn or Demon?

Given djinn predate Islam atleast for the most(?) part the islamic ideology of them holds not much weight, because you can follow a religious idea of them til you’re blue in the face but if you have no experience with them on top of actual research that finds them as far back as before islamic faith then the results are quite half arsed.

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Beware of the impurities instilled within you while you are molten and malleable my friend. However, if you enjoy the purpose for which you were forged, then I say live your life , peacefully and greatly in your purpose.

I don’t really want to dive more into discussing religion with you, because this is not the place. And we will not agree.

But I need to adress one thing. Take it as advice for everyone who follows a religion.

Many people study and live their religion with passion, but they view it as something historical, a thing of the past. A story which is already completed, with no room for new chapters.
There is no reason at all why archangels would have stopped communicating with humans.

This conception about spirits and gods (or the God) only gives you an unflexible frame of what’s possible.

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Its a good way of saying that last Prophet was Mohammad and never believe anyones word after him no matter how true because it won’t come from heavens.So it basically blinds you to reading other stuff.It gives you the illusion of saying, thats it, folks.

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Alright, so I am reading up on things and it seems that the Hinn/Binn is a concept that is mostly acknowledged by the Alawites. It is heavily debated as to whether the Hinn/Binn are a subtype of djinn or are separate entities entirely. I also decided to look over resources that are more Islamic focused and there were many who outright dismiss or acknowledge the existence of the Hinn/Binn.

So with this said, it seems that we are at a stalemate here when it comes to how we perceive the material that is available to us religiously and academically.

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can u answer one of my threads?

Im muslim like u as well

Most of what I have shared with you is Post-Muhammad PBUH. Though the base concepts that give firmity to the conclusions are indeed within the Qur’an. The strongest Magicians who can sense auras can sense the indescribable power coming from the pages of that book. It is not required that you believe in it, to utilize knowledge from it. Some of what I have shared is from the Jinn themselves, when asked, questioned, and they describe stories. When captured or overpowered in a spiritual exchange, Jinns will reveal much, to avoid pain, albeit with some deception mixed in. Further there are other sources more firm still such as those from Solomon who controlled nearly their entire race for a time… who wrote many magical treatises which many magicians refer to today. The strongest book on magic, perhaps ever written, is in the hands of those who control the events of the world.

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um are demons and jinn the same being?

I thought you said you no practical experience with magic in your introduction? Or do you refer to written encounters of other magicians? It’s a legitimate question as I attempt to comprehend your position.

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From what I gather from his post, he is referencing religious stories that purport to be the word of the djinn, not personal experience.

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Hello Keteriya.

What I will tell you is that magic is not necessary to bind Jinn. Indeed they are often the facilitators of magic(those who help make it work), so trying to use magic upon them is likely to backfire miserably. Further, magic is not the most powerful medium to interact with the esoteric, but upon this forum, I will not expound. They will respond to the call of a magician, mainly for a chance at the destruction of the person who called them.

For example, when casting a curse and binding that curse to a talisman or some other item, the Jinn will hear your call, and take whatever item you offer and blow the curse into it. As long as the item exists, the curse will maintain… so generally it is hidden well away or entrusted to the magician to do so. Or during a spell of breaking, where a person wishes to break a wife from a husband or some such, they will enter into the home of the target and inflict adversity, whisperings, and other intrusions until the couple has broken. The energy of your spell was certainly received by them and appreciated, but it is not your energy that creates it to happen, it is the actions of the Jinn that you called upon.

There are ways to hurt them, specifically when they are in the process of hurting others. To avoid such pain, they may answer questions in a hope to delay you or deceive you. You need an extraordinarily strong will, to be able to converse with them , without being deceived(as well as knowledge to disect truth from falsehood), and if you give too much in to curiosity, they may break you, instead.

And also, yes there are many written accounts of the Jinn which I have studied from the experiences of others.

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Have you experienced this?

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I find it problematic if someone with zero personal experience gives adivce to others. It can be very misleading to newbies who wrongfully trust someone’s words that have no other basis than second-hand accounts.

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But you cant have experiences because only experiences are jinn trolling you :scream::scream::scream:

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Exactly. I am not sure this person should be giving advice when their only speaking from religious study.

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…and when this religious study is exclusively conducted and purported form an Abrahamic point of view with a refusal to take other perspectives into consideration.

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There is no God but Man
So you either are probably deluded or misguided… Two things
There is no such things as “creator god” … If indeed he were present he is definetely not associated with “archangels” or what have you. Because if indeed he created the entire universe… Or even the earth itself… Or even man as a species… I’m sure he wouldn’t give a fuck what you have for breakfast or whether you get laid or not. Let alone giving orders .

Plus I bet he’d be busy adding another race of humans by now …and if we go by your assumptions then the archangels are probably jinn too lol… And are the one misleading you I bet

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Hello, Lux.

Much of what I have shared with you, is not found in any abrahamic text in existence. No abrahamic text speaks of sexual transmutation and of Jing. No abrahamic text speaks of the binding of Jinn, and of the absence of their emotional spectrum. No abrahamic text speaks of the power of the human spirit to create realities with mere thought, nor do they speak of the specific methods and examples in which magic is used, as I have described here.(directly anyway).

None have informed you of nearly anything I have stated here, other than the existence of the Jinn… and yet you claim that this knowledge is exclusively from them.

I can only attempt to share with you what is possible, and it is up to your own mind(or limitations) to either accept it or reject it. Whichever path you choose is only for your betterment or detriment, and I wish you the best either way, my friend.

Have you ever met a jinn, had one perform a task for you, or commanded one to depart?

People on here don’t usually have a problem with people having specialist knowledge, jusy questioning whether you have hands-on (so to speak) experience with them yourself. :slight_smile:

Being Muslim doesn’t mean you automatically inherit over them, any more than being English means I’m Mary Poppins.

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Hello Lady Eva,

I avoid answering this question because of what follows… which is the “well how did you do it,?” Which I am not willing to answer on this forum.My introduction is truthful, because I do not consider my practices to be a form of “magic.”

You are also correct that simply being a muslim bestows no “inheritance,” over the Jinn. It requires much more than that through study, training and indeed, experience. And if I am being honest, Jinn(demons) should not and were not meant to be contacted by humans in the first place, but occasionally there is a need for it.

You should further understand that their is some truth in Star Wars. There is a light side and a dark side of the force. You may think of magic as the dark side and the “other way,” as the light side… but to also know that not all of the dark side is evil, and indeed not all of the light side, is practiced by the pious(humans are ever deficient.) Magic is easy, seductive, and perhaps QUICKLY powerful , if applied by the right persons and the right assistance. The light side is slow, requires a specific kind of spirit, and has many rules and restrictions. Anyone can cast a basic spell if given the method… not anyone may interact with the Jinn without possibly losing their mind.

Some of you may wonder why I have not responded to your interjections. Even upon the internet, the energy of a person or an entity is quite obvious and known to me. If I do not respond to you, it is because I do not consider your energy worth the connection.(Or it is because I know what you are, and do not wish to speak with you.)