It is two sides of a coin just like light and dark. Some refer to older texts and site them over the Biblical because of it’s constant alterations in the past but in the end (even if i don’t care for it) it is something people use and has strong Psalms used in magick all the time.
Some think Angels follow it and some don’t, i’ll say that for sure, however on a historical note, he is showing one was written before the other.
On that note, there are some that didn’t get written down like most Celtic texts.
Please cite your sources. I want to see evidence that “many, many” demons and angels were considered gods, besides Ba’al, Malek Taus, and maybe Astaroth/Astarte. Personally, I think it is a fallacy perpetrated by New Age pagans as a way to reclaim certain spirits from the monotheistic religions.
Jupiter and Mars are Gods. Specifically, of the Roman pantheon, which took a lot of Greek deities (Zeus and Ares, respectively) into itself upon conquest. I have never, ever heard anything about them being referred to as demons or angels. I have heard of, and called called upon, the angels and demons of the planets named after the deities, but the planets are not the deities.
Being insulting and condescending does not, in any way, improve your argument. The words angel and demon are NOT specific Christian terminology because they are also present in the Quran (the Muslim holy book), as well as the Torah of Judaism (which Christianity is heavily based on). Christianity stole the vocabulary from the older source, so they can hardly be claimed as Christian terms now, can they?
Angels and demons have nothing whatsoever to do with the concept of a heaven or a hell, which, it seems you are unaware of, is another concept Christianity stole from other cultures. Buddhism has multiple heavens and multiple hells (they are not, however, considered to be eternal, only temporary before rebirth), and predates Christianity by about 600 years. The Greeks had Tartarus and the Elysium Fields, respectively. It’s not a concept unique to Christians.
I found the Egyptian concept of “Heaven” and “Hell” along with “Light” and “Dark” to be fascinating.
Light and Dark to them was nothing like how it is perceved today. The Book of the Dead is called The Book of Going Forth By Day. They saw light as something you experience after death.
I know that is very simplified @markus but it’s also a good source to see a different perspective on Light and Dark Magick.
If you look into it i’d suggest not going for Wallis Budge, his translation has been said to be not as accurate as later works.
I’m actually really interested in what sources you have, i’d like to look at them myself
I know of some that were vilified but am always interested in new info on the subject.
This is more of a common sense reference even in pagan beliefs, Greek mythogoly they had a “god” for everything the harvest, the wind, lust, love you name it , in actuality they were actually worshipping and calling upon demons and angels
That perspective does make sense.
The Christians saw all none Angelic to be Demonic and also the Greeks saw the Egyptians to be into bestiality and Demon worship as well.
Christians labeled anything that was against their agenda as evil or bad , they set us back centuries magickally unfortunately they help to establish fear to the masses , that box that we are all conditioned to live in
Yes, but no one else in this topic has complained about the fact that Sara is expressing, her opinion, they educate her on differences and move on.
I’m not saying that teaching people based on your UPG is wrong, what I am saying is that if you engage in a debate accept the other side to defend themselves.
Playing the victim card and saying that Sara is pushing her views on you and saying her UPG is true, when you’ve been doing the same thing boils my blood.
DarkestKnight has only been correcting Sara, he has not made any comments about Sara pushing her views on him or for arguing in favor of her position. I see nothing wrong with what he’s doing, and the rest of your comments are fine. It’s when you made it as if she were personally attacking you when you had been having a good debate until then.
I hate hypocrisy, the Church is too full of it. The God of the Christians is too full of it. I didn’t leave the Church only to enter a clone of it. If I see bullshit, I’m going to call you out on it.
Correct, I agree to a point. They do different things for the practitioner. An angel will raise the vibration of the summoner to meet theirs, allowing a faster paced evolution to occur, bringing them to a more divine state. More higher vibrational works are suggested with angels by me for this reason. Such as: Rebirth, Transformation, Raising vibration, evolution, etc.
A demon, will lower their vibration to meet the summoner’s own vibration. Which is why a demon can manifest in the physical very quickly, as well as manifest opportunities and requests quickly, because their vibration is more “earthly” at that point.
However this isn’t to say one side cannot do what the other can. They both can do the same thing, but there’s a difference, one being yin and yang energies, which are reflections of self and the universe, which come together as one.
Oh my bad that my apology isnt good enough for you when it wasnt even to you, I could careless if its accepted or not to be real honest there it is take it or leave it
Your attitude is fucking disgusting. No one cares for it. Leave it at the door or don’t come on here at all.
Incorrect.
Close. Fallen Angel is more so correct. A being capable of using light and darkness in perfect balance.
Incorrect. Want advice? Stop following the slaves handbook. Just because it’s written down doesn’t make it true. It’s like saying everything that comes out of Koetting’s mouth is gold.
To clarify: Daemon= yin energy. Angel= yang energy. Which in truth, aren’t that opposite of one another. Reflections of the soul within and without.
Once again your attitude towards the fact that one person disagreed with you is fucking distasteful. You throw one pissy fit because of one tiny thing. You’re not even an adult by behavioral standards. Then again, most adults act like grubby children anyways just like you.
Everything is an egregore. People keep getting that twisted, look at egregore by definition, then consider it.
Look in the fucking mirror. Oh wait, you refuse to. Oops.
Who else does that sound like? People want to complain that the world gets worse everyday but can’t get off their ass to change anything about it. You sound like one of them.
You act like it.
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Sometimes the best thing is to back down.
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Tell that to the rude bitch who just got here and is likely just about to leave.
You sure about that?
Hi Velotak!
See, his response, is noteworthy.
Now that… I don’t know about that…
What do you think happens when you put your “personal knowledge” out there?
I wouldn’t even bother.
See, this is the difference. One’s rude, annoying and condescending. In a sense, we force everything on each other. The more I’m here the more I see people walk in and out. But they don’t listen to themselves.
Ok. Everything is apart of Source and Source is within everything. There is something called “Currents” each one corresponds to a particular Sephira on the Tree of Life, in which also corresponds to a planetary alignment. It’s a reflection of the universe, our spirits, nature and everything around us. These currents make up the world around you and your conciousness.
In the end, everything is the same. Even you and Alita. Which is why I don’t always bother with the whole “Are this and this spirit the same?”. Well news flash you’re all the same.
See now this is what I would consider a double standard. Sera can do it but Alita can’t? That’s bullshit. What Alita has done as far as I’ve seen is defend herself.
since you named your self fallen angel you must think you are the hierarchy, or atleast be so arrogant enough to believe you really are on, not only is that laughable but its also very disrespectful know your place we are just ants …that being said thanks for the commentary and I am not wrong , just because you dont believe in the same things I do …or do you suppose you know more than a demon? Arrogance at its finest, words like that will just be asking for trouble most People think sitting behind a computer screen will save them but that is a false sense of security
