Demons / Ancient identity question

General Discussion
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in reference to the newsletter

Once these three religions started gaining ground in the world, they felt that the only way that they could convince others to follow them was to create an artificial monopoly on spirituality.

This meant that only they could be right, and everyone else had to be wrong.

So, they took a look at these gods who were much older than theirs, much more powerful than theirs, changed their names a little, and called them “demons.”

Why would they trade access to the Demons who predate the earth and the universe, for a lesser God?

is there a clue to this in Leviticus 16, where these “Monotheists” give an offering and sacrifice to Azazel ?

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The founders of these religions used the same mass mind-control tactics as they do today, lying about the true nature of spirituality in order to subjugate others. Why did the Norse and the Celts abandon their ancient and powerful gods for Jehova?

Don’t think for a moment, though, that the highest ranks of these religions abandoned occult practice. The Vatican houses the largest library on demonology in the world… right alongside the largest porn collection.

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[quote=“E.A., post:2, topic:940”]The founders of these religions used the same mass mind-control tactics as they do today, lying about the true nature of spirituality in order to subjugate others. Why did the Norse and the Celts abandon their ancient and powerful gods for Jehova?

Don’t think for a moment, though, that the highest ranks of these religions abandoned occult practice. The Vatican houses the largest library on demonology in the world… right alongside the largest porn collection.[/quote]

LOL that last part!!!

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Well… knowing what the taste of catholic priests is about in term of sexual interest I wouldn’t want to even lay my eyes upon those porn collection… puke

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[quote=“Student of Goetia, post:1, topic:940”]in reference to the newsletter

Once these three religions started gaining ground in the world, they felt that the only way that they could convince others to follow them was to create an artificial monopoly on spirituality.

This meant that only they could be right, and everyone else had to be wrong.

So, they took a look at these gods who were much older than theirs, much more powerful than theirs, changed their names a little, and called them “demons.”

Why would they trade access to the Demons who predate the earth and the universe, for a lesser God?

is there a clue to this in Leviticus 16, where these “Monotheists” give an offering and sacrifice to Azazel ?[/quote]

You don’t keep power over others by sharing it. Literacy was high-tech and fiercely guarded for a long time by these same people. Don’t forget that.

Also, it’s a brilliant tactic, probably best described by Nietzsche in Beyond Good & Evil - I’m not a Neitzschean, but he makes a great point: Judaism/Christianity is a religion for slaves. The virtue of a slave is the virtue of a Christian/Jew - if you can get the people to tie their virtue to the ideal attributes of a slave, they’ll start acting like slaves. You don’t even have to subjugate them, they already know their place.

I think the same is true of the Abrahamic religions - you give the masses a false or non-communicative god, you don’t teach them any useful techniques to connect to spirit, and then you slowly but surely convince them that this is all that spirituality consists of. Only by accident do a very very few devout Christians/Jews/Muslims ever achieve anything of real spiritual importance - and most of those who actually DO, subsequently get killed for heresy. The lucky ones of those now-dead get a posthumous “sainthood”.

It’s funny to see all these monotheists talk about their religion, they don’t see the polytheism right there in their own bibles. Their god is a jealous god, who demands singular devotion. You don’t get jealous of “nothing”. You hit it on the head with the reference to Azazel, Student_of_Goetia. There are lots of references to other gods within the old testament, and not as “pretend” gods, just forbidden ones to the Jews who singularly worshipped YHWH (not all the Jews did… until the various Abraham/Mosesites massacred them). It wasn’t until the medieval theologians did the Christians believe that they were logical monotheists rather than practical monotheists - meaning that they then believed that there IS only one god, rather than they should WORSHIP only one god.

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What I find really strange is that the bible and etc only really started to make sense to me once I experienced the absolute/source/what ever you want to call it. I mean its all right there, so obviously someone knew what they were doing, I just can’t work out how people get caught up in all this other crap that really has nothing to do with what there religion is talking about

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The Bible is not meant to be read in a literal sense but more as an allegory. Once I read The Secret Teachings Of All Ages by Manly P. Hall and had a better understanding of he esoteric symbolism used I found it much more fulfilling. It’s also fun to bring up the deeper meanings when my fiancé drags me to Sunday school/Church service and see all the blank looks staring back at me.

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Is your fiancé a christian? LOL! My partner is catholic hahaha.

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Lol her family makes up the entire congregation of her church except for the Minister. She’s not Christian but does enjoy going because she see’s family that she wouldn’t see otherwise.

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Its interesting that one of the biggest complaints that the Orthodox Christians had against the gnostic Christians is that they refused to accept the authority of the bishops. In fact, Gnostics were known to take lots each Church meeting, so that anyone and everyone would have a chance to be bishop, prophet, reader, and other functionaries. And gender was completely a non-issue.

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The founders of these religions used the same mass mind-control tactics as they do today, lying about the true nature of spirituality in order to subjugate others. Why did the Norse and the Celts abandon their ancient and powerful gods for Jehova?

Don’t think for a moment, though, that the highest ranks of these religions abandoned occult practice.

So basically, if I understand correctly, their purpose in converting the nations was (and is) to continue to work themselves secretly with the ancient Demons and the truths of the universe, and to purposely maintain their followers in delusion.

That means, for example, a Pope (like Honorius III perhaps – if the Grimoire is his) says Mass for the entire Roman Catholic world and administers a holy eucharist, and then that night is evoking spirits.

One conclusion to be drawn from this, is that the Demons could care less whether or not anyone knows the truth of anything, and are content to work in alliance with whomever attains mastery of evocation.
Is this conclusion flawed?

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On a related line of thought,

Is the mass of the collective belief of a large group of spiritual clueless, directed by a cadre of applied willworker could reach a point allowing the cursing of an Higher Demon with a behavior in accordance with the clueless belief?

Or the critical mass has not or cannot be attained due to their level of power and knowledge?

In other word, what level of power an aligned collective thought can be?

That could explain what they are or more likely trying to do.

As an example on a solo scale to illustrate:

I encounter an entity with horns.

Balanced belief: Horns are symbols of abondance, power or link to nature. Those carries no positive or negative intent a priori, so a polite greating is in order to initiate communication…

Clueless belief: AAAAAH! a Demon! its going to kill me and devour my soul!
2 thing could happen:
A - The shockwave of my belief, fueled and amplified by a strong emotion, transform the entity in accordance to my mis-will.
B - The entity read the belief and goes “Oookay! not quite ready for a communication from an evolved mind to another. What a shame! you had interresting latent abilities! Maybe for a later time… Take care!”… and leaves. However, due again to the strong emotion and lack of knowledge, I miss the departure and the image persist and again conform to my mis-will.

Religion is the invention of mankind to interpret spiritual matters. Interpretation is a key word. It implies error in them and if you take yourself too seriously in your belief, it become a belief trap.

I see to type of religions:

The dogmatic ones and the “tool-box” ones. Spirituality cannot be mass produced, the latter provide knowledge and opportunities allowing individual spiritual growth while the former is to spirituality what fast food is to gastronomy.

A McConfession with your order?