kinda like an ignorant braggart fool.
I’ve heard with strong enough senses entities appear physically, but not to others
That’s just how he speaks.
he subscribes to sytupid doctrines of angelds versus demons demons neinbg evil impure and so on.
Just because people have inaccurate beliefs doesn’t mean that they haven’t found good knowledge.
A Christian can use a gun, just as a Satanist or a Muslim can.
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his experiences are hust visible manifestations probably. if he could materialise so whel he would be different by far i suppose. that is what i mean. i have no learned a single new thing from him. period.
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Everybody has different priorities on how they use their knowledge, not everyone is on the same path you suppose is the correct one.
There are many yogis and saints with incredible occult power who don’t even seek more power, and furthermore you don’t know his personal situation or what is blocking him.
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Read everything for yourselves if u want. ssenger.
Thanks
so you wanted to discuss why i want the name of your guardian?
Yes
Go ahead plz
well. to put it simply. the more guardians onew has the better. such is life that one cam never have too many.
Not like that.
The comparison is like having countless normal humans watching over you, and having superman watching you.
Do you get that?
One guardian is enough. But you can make friends with others
yes. well. compare one superman watchimg over you versus a hundred or more supermen. which is better? 
Jealousy will come in. You won’t know which one to turn to. How can you build acquaintance with them all?
Spirits are more or less like human. They do just like us. But a bit higher than us.
by contacting communicating and working with them all. if their atribute is to guard they will all guard.
When i say guardian angel, i don’t mean guard in that aspect. But a teacher, a protector. Who will tell you to face your fear and be fearless with it. Know what I mean?
Someone who won’t request you any sort of sacrifice or offering or as those guys does in BALG, having xxx with those demonic spirits…
oh so this is your angel
how did you find him?
Oh so you have no idea what i have been talking about?
well you only told me just now that this was your angel. you didn’t post it
so how did you two meet?
Yeah, I didn’t post it like that. I only say, My Guardian
yes
How we meet? Well, don’t know really know how to explain that. Do you have interest in such?
yes
Ok. Do you know the ‘Art of Pauline?’
yes
I made use of that. Calling the one guardian angel I’m born with, i kind of don’t know how to do that. So i called another angel who filled that place.
And everyone (angels) is glad i did.
so the name of that angel you called is in the Art of pauline?
Yes. I didn’t just jump on it. I did some search though. Met him in his plane too. He questioned me like: ‘How dare you make mention of my name?’ ‘Who gave you the authority to come look for me?’ Etc but even without the procedure i followed, you can call on anyone of them. When he ask, ‘What do you desire?’ Tell him, firstly, you want him as your guardian angel. And he should tell you his name by which you may call on each time you need his assistance, anywhere, anytime and that he will come visibly or invisibly to you
Or say, you wish to call him again but not with this ceremony…and he will tell you how to call him.
very true thank you
Do you understand me well, clearly?
yes
you said you called on a planetary spirit that came on a donkey physicaly. so if you wanted, could you sit on that donkey?
That’s my Table of practice.
Good question there. The guardian angel will help in such matters. He will tell you if ypu can or not. Howbeit, you can ask the Olympic Spirit himself, he will think it’s funny…and tell you if you can or not
true
but if the donkey appears there physicaly you most definitely can i suppose.
Sure, you can. Just that if you are not yet more friendly with each other, he may not allow you
I remember one wgo came with a staff, and my mom was asking if he cam give her his staff. But he said no, that she can touch it. It’s not an ordinary staff i guess. Maybe part of his thing
oh. your mom can see it too. that’s serious then
aweasome
She is into this field too, way before i was birthed. She encouraged me when I approached it.
what does she practise?
White Magic
and how does she do it?
Uh this ain’t something to explain briefly.
But as you can see what’s going on in the forums in BALG, almost everyone there are into Black Magic. I believe you must have read their testimonies and experiences. Which is not inline with ours
We don’t call spirit and offer it offering such as food or any gifts. Incense is the highest we can do. Such is the rites of Sacred Art
We don’t bow nor worship Demons, we are Master over them. (I may sound strange but it’s the truth) and i don’t mean we don’t give them the respect they deserve
The Guardian Angel reveals secrets of the Demons. How to constrain them and make them obey, reverend on bended knees.
That’s how white magic works
yes, some of it atleast.
i do this type of magic as well.
Cool. And how do you do it?
Which spirit have you work with?
well
i do it how the guys onm the forum do it. I Evoke, i do divination, i leave my body or travel in dreams. i also boss demons around. i also work with angels jesus legba etc.
many good forces
so youi and your mom both practise the pauline?
She make use of the Almadel Art
What you do isn’t white magic, but kind of clean magic, let me say.
yes
pure
Cool.
If you wanna keep going clean, you need a holy guardian angel, not a demon who will mislead you and make you believe you are on the right path.
true
the angel is very needed
And do you ever fancy having sexaul relation with the Demons as did those on BALG?
yes ive had some of this. i dont think im sure if these were demons or not.
i know once some demons aroused me but they where invisible.
of course we can have such relations with angels too.
Sexual relationship? Well, not in white magic. It’s purity, as you said earlier. And sex ain’t pure.
Demons fancy it mostly. Cuz they are fallen angels, so they prefer negative energies, which is positive to them. But negative to the holy angels.
Demons have done that arousal to me too, countless times…but they know me well. So they leave when they get tired.
So you have had sex with spirits? Is it physically or in dreams or astrally (leaving ur body - astral sex)?
yes astraly.
A female or male?
insofar as gay dreams i’ve had two. none of them were related to emmissions i dont think. the rest where all male.
oh’
female
i mean
Ok. How did it happen? Did u approach them or they approach you, who raised it, can you share your experience?
A simple sex story. I was consciouos in my body while asleep. i could see my body in thr bed. i heard two voices they were female and same and moaning intensly and beautifuly and hotly then they started to blow hot airt into my ears and i came.
Also another time when i summoned the presence of a legion of liliths spirits whose name i forget i lay down and had an OBE. i just started getting heard and came. i did not see or hear the spirits.
Another time i had a consciuos dream. in it i descended downards and had some hot (the feeling of hotness was definite) fun there. I don’t remember the details.
In another dream there was a spirit in the form of a clothed woman it appeared and felt very clear and solid. the clearest yet. soon once again the sex began. what is of the most interest is that the feelings were very intense. the coincided with the movements of the spirit and me. and that i was actualy roling in my dream body. the action was happening in my room . so i roled from the bead to a couch next to it.
Ok.
Are you very good in astral travelling?
And if truly you desire having an holy guardian angel, he will start with cleansing you…then distance stuffs like these from you.
They will not be able to do all that to you anymore. But see you differently. Not as a plaything anymore.
another was when i called lucifer in dream and formed a body for him. as we talked and walked a woman came from the other room. who i feel was lilith. i choose to get her. and as i remember ui probably emited way too quiqckly before anything of interest could happen and woke up. i guess this was a test of lucifer to see if chose his knowledhe and presence or to satisfy my urtge.
on the note of astral traveling one ex[erienve happened bwhen i left my body and met too spirits near my house, outside a dather and a daughter. the father spoke something of me maybe regarduing me hoghly. and then i assaulted the daughter asnd woke up
am i good at traveling. well. i am good enough to very automaticaly pass into a lucid dream or and out of body experience when i close my eyes.
laying dowb.
n
as far as the angel helping in such a manner you are right.
How can you teach a beginner astral travelling?
I have a sister who wants to learn but we are not living together, we only talk via WhatsApp.
well
your syster needs to think about where she wants to go amd she will have a dream anout that place.
this is the eysest and most efwctive method.
Ok, thanks. I will tell her that.
if she wants to leave the body diurctly and ne over her bed she needs to to imagine doing so as she falls asleep.
Ok
Will imagining doing so also help?
that is what one is suposed tyo do. imagine and feel.
Like, help quickly reach the vibration state…?
yes
the key is. if yoyu dp this right thaty inbstead of having a simple dream you feel and see yourself leaver your body.
but the most important part is to get to the objective. if she wetyher she does so while her consciousness is out or if she ddreams of the place is not so important.
but what is important is not to simply play with this. but to go to some spiritial master, a trveler who can help her, achieeve the higher polanes not just astral and then unify with the creator.
thus acvhieving her own divine nature in this life.
so as she falls asleep she can focus on the name sunam
this is one such master.
thje best of those that i have experienced.
chanting the mame is importyat.
Ok. There is a mantra i wanna teach her how to use. FARAON.
Know about it?
i was told the word faraon today. what about it?
It’s a mantra that helps to get out the body
Faaaaaarrrrrrrraaaaaooooonnn Vocalizing it like that
oh
you guys need to get into eckankar books
the science of soul travel is there expoubnded.
the books can tell you more than i
I don’t believe much in books. I barely read them. I would prefer to ask my guardian instead. Who will break the knowledge down into pieces for me
well yes
it is the same with the travelers
they guide teach and help and protect directly.
but the books are good because you get cocepts you didnt know before. its up tp you how you use them in soul travel.
Maybe she has to be patient till we meet, so my guardian can help her succeed.
Yeah books are good. I just don’t fancy it
I read books but not any
she can do this alone
too
focusing on sunam
calling him amd asking him to help her.
w
with a master who is a traveler she will suceed better than with an angel.
And when it comes to astral travel, i don’t wanna throw books at her. Yeah i know she can do it alone but just saying that in case she doesn’t get it.
becaus the angel needs to be profitient in tyhis art.
of travel
which yours isnt
there are no angels in the pauline conscerned with soul travel.
I don’t know Sunam. Maybe i will ask my guardian. But i know it’s easiest with the angel. My guardian just snap me out of my body like i wear off a cloth
well if its like that for you
themn of couse iyts best with him
Oh they are loaded with knowledge. Is it to know reason they are called wisdom?
Yes.
but as i said sunam is a teravelert and he can guide you trough the other planes to the source of all things.
while this such an angel will not do.
for his abilities are different.
I tell you, my guardian isn’t to the limit you are thinking lol
I’m yet to see a hard maths for him
this i can AGREE WITH
but
a spirit from the pauline is not a soul traveler. it is as simple as that.
you chose him iimstead of your own angel whom you know not how to find.
And i don’t just jump to working with anything. I need to know who Sunam is first, if he is of my level or higher, then it’s a yes. But if he is lower, it’s a no.
when i get the method i’ll give it to you.
You should understand that he has led me to my own angel already
oh?
That’s why when A.Lucifer did a read on me she saw two entities standing next to me, guarding me but she can’t really describe them, she said they are not demons, they don’t appear like entities she had work with
So i know clearly what i am saying. Michael for example is a jack of all trade. Such thing as astral travel is nothing before him
You need to know about these angels first…before you judge them.
it is not that i judge them. i simply mean tjhat variuos spirits are adept in particular fields.
this means thar while angels are good for many tjhings.
they are not soul travelers’
just as soul travelkers are not angels.
and astral projjection id jusyt oin the astral plane.
soul travel means going to higher planes
a spirit thalos teaches how to leave the body and find astral gates
I understand you, but because they are not soul travelers doesn’t mean they can’t do the work. Get my message.
they can do the work, but it is good to vall tjem for things they can do in their fields best.
and not truy to put everything before anm angel tp do when trjhere are speciofic spirits who atrwe more adept in those other fields like soul travel.
just like.
you dont call a gnome to teach you how to fly in the air.
a gnome is a gnome, no mater how adept.
I get your point but there are no spirit i can trust enough like them…so.
.
so contact sunam and see.
he can himself materialise physicaly.
What is the highest plane you have reach?
mental
I need to know about this sunam first, i don’t just work with anything.
If he is lower than i am, i won’t work with him.
Ipsissimus_EA_Koetting.pdf
info about sunam is in these books
Koetting - Ordo Ascensum Aetyrnalis.pdf
just search sunam in them
he is not lower than you.
of that i am certain
but thats my opinion
so
read abpout him
contact him
Whaaaat? In Koetting’s book? Well, let me quickly check first.
yes
the name is spelled suhnam
he was one of E.A.s masters.
I’m sorry. I’m higher than him. I can’t work with such one. I can’t let my sister either.
how are you higher than him?
In every aspect. You can’t understand. I can bet it, you have not met someone like me before.
well okay. elaborate on how you are higher if you are so high then certainly by virtue of thy hight explaining something to such a one as lowly as me is very easy.
if ye show me thy hight i will follow you.
No
I don’t need such
Now is not the time for me
To show anything about myself
And i don’t need a follower as people do
My path is totally different
if anything may you, master, give such a lowly one as myself but a few words of your capabilities sio that i may see you are truly greater than suhnam?
I don’t need that either. Besides, My time is yet to come.
for sure
So you learn from Koetting books?
yes
Ouch! I don’t. His works are way too low to me.
That’s why i said i don’t read books. I do read but it’s very rare for me to see a book that meet my standard.
Can you do a read on me?
why does such a high and mighty one as yourself want a read from me?
are not my works and information but low before thee master?
You are not getting me. You sure see my convo with darkestknight, don’t ya?
And i have told you I’m not in the categories of such people. What’s the ‘Master’ there for?
oh
well
i suhnam is a master and you are higher than him then indeed you are a master
I did want a read from you, so? That is something big or what?
are you not?
I am not. Just because you don’t know things he knew you revered him as a master. I understand that.
So, let’s cut the story short. Could u read me?
yes
Plz do
I’m still waiting bro’
i would give you the reading but since you are higher than suhnam do you not receive whatever info you desire?
I do. But i don’t need you to lay emphasis on this. So just Suhnam i said I’m higher than and you think that is something? Lol there are others higher than Suhnam and I’m higher than even them.
There is no big deal about these.
so once again sincee you have so much ability why do you want a read from me?
Lol i don’t take life like you do.
So if you are the one in my position you would start acting like a god?
I’m a humble fellow dude. I have told you my time is yet to come. I’m presently facing alot…
well se
to be huble is fine. one can humbly endure hardship or one can humbly exstinquish stars. do you do this?
for surely if you were above suhnam you could? even E.a says he could having achieved sat nam. could you?
Will u put all this aside and give the reading?
I don’t read books, haven’t i told you that? I don’t know anything about Koetting and his works nor his terms or terminology. So just beat it. I don’t do anything in such books.
well thats fine.
you dont need to get angry.
i was just teasing you since you spoke so higly of yourself.
anything i claim.
atleast for myself i wabt to be able to actualy do before claiming it.
so i wanted to ask you a few questions in an effort to understand how ca[able you are and wether or not i understood you correctly.
You can’t know all that in a day or this short time, but gradually.
i would still like to ask you how you are greater than suhnam. or how you cabn physicaly materiase spirits eben commune with your most exelent and true angel and yet need my reading? so will you aswer me this first.
How are you greater than suhnam? second. why do you think that you can summon spirits physicaly? third why do you, being so powerful nedd my divination
From me?
for see i am a man of quality shalll we say.
i havbe no problem giving you a reading
Hahahah i understand you now. Because of what i said and your translation to it, you thought why do i need your reading?
Very funny.
Take note. If you haven’t physically materialize spirits yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or others can’t do it. Same thing BALG’ers does argues with me. Cuz they only or mostly do astral evocation or make use of sigil and the likes
i know it can be done
but i think that you are not at a point of capability you claim to be.
Micah did a reading for me and so did A.Lucifer, and i fancy the result. So i want to hear from you too.
Their results to me are short message. I want someone who can see far, if possible, about me.
Lol I’m more than that point of capability
Just cuz u are yet to meet someone of that height doesn’t mean such one doesn’t exist
once ahain
if you are so high
So you haven’t meet one with such claims as mine before?
Lol
you have no problems chaneling enmtire books of readings right?
if the books of ea are beneath you
if suhna, is beneath you
im masters above suhnam arew beneath you.
then what the hell do you need readings for?
Lol haven’t i explained myself enough?
Do you not see what i said about others reading?
If you won’t do it, just beat it. I fancy this stuff, that’s all.
oh you fancy it
i fancy it too
but the point is
you dont go arouind saying i am well above you all please give me a reading.
there is nothing bad in esalting yourself.
I didn’t say I’m well above you all please give me a reading,
Get your head straight, plz
Don’t quote what i didn’t say
thats what you are implying
if u r above this ans above that.
Just because i don’t see a company is upto my company standard doesn’t mean their product is low. Why can’t u all think?
it is clear yoy it does mean itwell abov
it means
What are u saying?
you are asking for a worse product while yourself you are abvle to produce a better one.
so it is foolishness
i do divination.
Lol you guys into just working with anything spirit or termed magic just will never understand me
and i like divinmation done for me.
You are wrong
Do u not think a second? Did i not tell you I’m battling with something presently? Lol
you fool
Lol
you are battling
if so
you call your spirits
physicaly
and
they bash
whatever you are battling
period
Ahahah spirits?
I understand u clearly now.
Who is Ahriman or maybe I’m not getting the spelling correctly?
google it
the point is. there is nothing that should stand against you insofar as i can imagine now iof you are so great.
so if you say
Lol even When i called forth Belial, lesser demons stood against him and stopped him ahahaha
Are u angry or what do i call these?
that is your experience
You think I’m relying on your reading for something or what?
does not mean ot is true
or not true
Not just my experience but how far i have gone.
Lol
Cuz u haven’t reach that level u won’t understand
I can’t stop laughing here
So, you are a follower of Koetting?
And a what is Suhnam to you?
a teacher
a helper
a guide
I see. Lol and u are angry i said I’m higher than him?
not
what pisses me of are two things
one
you claim such a hight but neither your experiences nor your manner of speakling prove it.
two
you being so high
ask for things so
low
“you claim such a hight but neither your experiences nor your manner of speakling prove it.”
You need to understand me first. You read what i wrote you don’t see my expression. Talk of manner or experience. I have hinted little or none about experience. Manner? Lol i don’t know what u mean by that. It depends on how u read my msg and how u take it.
the pont is
do you know of any way that you can prove your claims?
that is all i want here.
I ask for things so low? Lol so? Is that a big deal? I said i fancy this thing.
Someone said he saw that spirit ahriman or so, standing behind me, he wants to possess me.
Another said he saw a demon in snake form waiting for the perfect time ti strike me and even swallow me. So i want to hear how you will see it. That’s all. But u attach more meanings to it.
thats perfect
what was seen will be done
this i swear to you myself
i dont swear many things
and i dont swear lightly
you have motivated me so well.
“do you know of any way that you can prove your claims?”
See what I’m saying…you need to understand me first.
I said first that my time is yet to come.
Then also said i don’t need to prove anything to anyone, i don’t need it. I didn’t just sprang up to say I’m above this or that, we talk to that level and i made you understand that so-so things are low to me. Simple. Not that I’m bragging about anything here
Lol what was seen will be done? Lol
yes it will
Alright
now here
is your reading :
know your place in the night. we walk it the night and the darkness when we fiill you your bod you you will be buried you will die in the night and leave your body then can be reborn. but if you succumb to ythe death you will die for nought you will die. this begins now. if for a night thy life does not flee thee completely but returns into your body. then the u that is you now will have died and you willl awake as somthing else. all who seek the path of vampire must die. in acrypt with a cover a slab- a dungeon enclos yourself and die- leave your body fullly that it dies then speak anmd dwell dance with us to know the secrets of self transformatiom and darkness communiom and imbibing… amd be reborn in the night trough the night when it is over. or die truly. you if you survivre the night you will become vampire. this path exist for all who take it. the night is the period of hardship the dark night of the soul also for each its lenghth and intensity differs. it does also inwolve death. physical. invoke the darkness our darknes and lay in the cryp enclosed. even . and trouhgh all these things you will reach the imortal state. through dying as spoken here. all these are method po transfomation they are all one whole.
I don’t get you…
Is that the reading or where does that come from?
it is a reading
for you and for me
A reading? Not for me i guess.
it is a statement
Is that what u saw about me?
a channeling
Oh i knew that
it is what i saw that all who choose to can do.
Such can’t come out for me. You must surely see a demon behind me or something like that
no no
this is a work
for any who choose to
Ok. All who choose to can do? Who choose what?
any who choose to leave their bodu in the night and learn from Ahriman and azi dahaka the poath of vampire.
any who chose to be transformed by their darkness.
or die trying.
Oh ok. But believe me, i don’t know him before.
And the one who came to kind of scare me when we started chating is different. He has a snake like neck but human head snake skin
doesn soud diferent to me
azi daka is a snake
Oh really
oh really.
Well, i have nothing to do with them.
So i don’t think i need that channelinf
G*
you do and you dont
i work with them
How?
trough you i knew that it was they
whop sent you to me
Lol how? Sent me to u?
to tell me of AHRIMAN and the other demon
beside him
Ok ok ok.
so that i knew it was a sign from them
and who to call
and if you would not
have asked for this cjanneling i
See…i fancy this stuff. Even how u talk. Lol
would not jhave received this working
I’m not MR. KNOW ALL. or perfection
if you fancy it
youy can come
for i can show you the darkness which you do not know
Nope, i can’t. Sorry.
or rather they can
i know you cant in truth
Our energies are different. Oil and water.
be aware
practicioner of Ars Paulina
Nooo. One don’t continually practice with Ars Paulina. It’s just once.
Az the whore mocks even solomon for solomon has but a streak of light for his wisdom but he is surounded by limitless endless darkness
I saw three other entities with that snake like one i saw.
so there is a knowledge anmd a power in darkness that is beyond what we conceive
all ilusions of grandeur fall away like shadows,
I understand you.
The three other entities with him looked at me and looked away…he, the snake like one, looked me in the eye and kind of slowly look away. And i heard one of them said, ‘You…what you are doing…’
you that means you or the spirits?
Me. He was talking to me.
well. if you cannot talk to them then maybe i will come to you. and i will pass them to you, but As you said thei are with you already.
I could talk to them.
yep
But they left already. They didn’t last long. One smile at me while they were leaving.
But the snake like one isn’t cool with me at all
He gave me the same look as at first.
so after all indeed i am sorry for the way i atacked you in conversation buy as you saw this was neccesary in ordere so that this working may be revealed.
So than you very much.
Alright bro.
what will you do now?
want any more readings?
You haven’t done any yet.
Come now
What else do u wanna know
You ašies of ahriman
Asked
And I let him speak to you.
What do u wanna know?
Hmm just that usual readings i have seen them do on BALG
Ha ha
You come before us looking all unusual and you want usual readings?
Lol
Let me. Tell you something these beings just taught me
The darkness is unusual. Unknown.
Those who want the usual stay in the light they do the usual works. Those who go into the darkness find greater power therein
You as well. You can stay in the light and talk about your acomplishments or u can forget about them and go into darkness where there is a whole new life to master
I understand you clearly.
Though it will not be easy. Conflict and struggle. But you will gain so much more and become so much stronger.
They say further all magick began in the dark. Only when light female to be and magick sciences and systems entered this world they were clasified as those of light.
But the light in this world is merely an emanation of darkness. We know all is from the void.
For in the bėgimu g was the void.
I understand.
And therefore dark magic or black magic is strongest. Now let’s talk business. What do u need to charge in your life?
Nothing at the moment.
Whatever strugle you are passing trough ahriman can clear IT away
Ok. Thanks for telling me that. I will keep that in mind.
I gotta go now, bro.
Good. (;
Thanks too
2018 m. V 28 d. 13:15
hey lux fero
wanna join my occult order?
2018 m. V 28 d. 16:10
Oh got your message late…yeah, would be nice.
2018 m. V 28 d. 18:31
Ok
The requirement for joining is to make a month long pact with lucifer.
2018 m. V 29 d. 00:02
Oh sadly, I don’t deal much with infernal beings, not to talk of pact. He won’t even accept it from me, no joke.
I can’t meet with the requirement.
2018 m. V 29 d. 02:39
Then go with Jesus
Lol ok.
He will tell you what to do for initiation.
Nope. I’m an initiate.
I mean for initiation into my order
Where are you initiated ?
Uh not what u can understand.
Try me
I don’t do anything much that involve human. I wasn’t initiated by man and the cult isn’t in this planet.
Where is it?
Oh i thought you were still typing
You mean the planet? Oh i don’t know which one actually, i just project there. It’s a higher one. I used to fall back into the body each time i tried to approach it b4 i was initiated. But when i was able to enter, that’s when initiation comes in.
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Like i used to say, i have no human teacher
What are the names of your teachers?
Uh you know I can’t voice that out.
It shows to me that u were typing before…
If ur gonna join my order you need to share secrets
There are some secret that has to remain secret, for once shared it’s no more secret.
Like, what’s your occult order all about? Tell me about it.
I’ll tell you if I tell me the names of your teachers and about them. We need to share
Lol wrong comparison to share.
Why would u want to know their names?
Because I want to contact them and get initiated
Oh really, energies are different. I’m not sure if you can enter that planet.
What is the highest planet u av entered? How much have you ascend?
I told u before
It’s written here
I don’t mean ascending regarding darkness…
Not darkness
Mental plane
Howbeit I’m not sure u can enter the planet. And they won’t just answer u even if u summon them. Like, they would come but what if after talking they tell ya: You are not ready, and tell u to focus on other things?
I’ll know what to do 
But I need their names to call them
Names are way too powerul. If i know their title i may give u, but names? Uhh as u are there, if u utter the name, so-so come. Instantly, he will appear.
Yes
Please give me the names
Titles are not enough
I really can’t
Alright
I’ll give
U
The secret name of god
Give me…what?
Ok.
But u must give me all their names and all info about them
If I’m in position to do so. Like, if it’s not to arcane or occultic.
Okay
What do you want in exchange?
I don’t do swap. Seriously
Will it take time?
Or u want me to ask for something in return? I share what’s worth sharing, not for anything in exchange.
I could give u two names of god
And the name of. a powerful angel
Ok. Let me see.
The names?
Yep
Or am I lost?
I’ll give them to
You once u tell me the names of all your teachers
Haha that can’t do. Seriously.
I wanted to ask, what god are u talking about?
The god
What more do you want in exchange?
No no. Who is ‘The god’ you are referring to?
I don’t do exchange. These isn’t even something to do exchange on.
Could u say the general or simple name - the god - u are referring to is know with?
Okay
But u tell me the titles of your teachers first
I don’t know their title. I only know that of my guardian and i can’t remember that too.
I don’t call them. I just think of them and they are around me.
Then tell me how I can contact all Olof them
Lol Robertas, are you kidding me now, uh?
Your spirits won’t even allow it
My name is Deivis
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I mean they won’t allow u into the occult I’m into. Remember 3 came to me that night?
Oh ok.
Whatever
Tell me what u can so I could begin to work with them
What i can, like…my teachers?
Work with them?
For what purpose?
To do what they tell me
Are u done typing?
Yes
Oh it’s away now, it shows typing since.
But our path is different.
Talking about your occult order and it’s requirement, I don’t think any of them would wish to have a junior that is into pact with any spirit.
For even them, they don’t treat me as: we are the master and u are student. No. They treat me like brother. Like, only rank differentiate us.
And talking about powerful angels? I know countless, like I can’t list. But how? It is through my teachers, for some of the higher rank angels are my teachers. But their titles are very rare to comeby. They are not common as Michael, Gabriel etc
But the god u are talking about is what i don’t quite understand
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from the way he talks from his assumptions i just conclude that he is pretty false. there are a bunch of guys like that if you look around . take into account the so called golden dawn for example. can they even come close to the magick we practice? i know a guy who joined the O.T.O. he wont talk about it. he also joined one order of the rose cross. he didn’t provide anything intense. he said he is a hermetic magickian and as such he doesn’t work with loki. as to contacting goetic spirits and others he just keeps barking how it will cause madness (which it doesa not unless you work with spirits that do so or fuck up very certain chi kung exercises on wrong chi kung doing this we agree) - his fear ignorance and limitation. probably because his background is different from us and heis older . he practices magick that may work 50 % of the time. you call that a level we should aspire to? although he does have a lot of theoretical knowledge.
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If he’s right, then he’s right. If he’s wrong then he’s wrong.
A person who is wrong about many things can be right about some things through experience.
My experience is not yours.
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Hello Colton.My name is Deivis. We have been Working in Magick together with Brian Alksnis for a while now. Just todaY I
found out about you,his mentor. if you don’t mind, might you add me to your friendslist so that we may all conjoin in this effort of master the magickal mysteries?
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Thank you for accepting me. I heard you are practising norse magick. i’ve touched it somewhat- some of the gods. and rune work. the most intense ritual in the effects of which i am still living was the eye of odin. now what interests me most is Loki. I see that he is the key to power beyond the gods.
may you teach me what you know?
First of all forget Loki. He’s not even an Aesir, one of the tribes that rule in Asgard.
He represents malice, unpredictability, getting burnt when playing with fire…all the things you’d avoid in Hermetic work.
He is a lesson worth learning however. Though they may have been God’s, when Loki arranged for Baldur (most loved of the gods) to die, he was shown that even God’s act quite human when their family has been damaged.
All Norse myth asides from the incidence of “little folk” which are either proto conscious fragments, or a quantum phenomena that allows them to appear conscious and change their environment
You’ll find that everything in Norse myth can be found in a modern physics textbook. It was an attempt to record the quantum world for later generations.
The quantum and magic would have seemed identical. In many ways, it still is. However, every month a new theory is tested and confirmed…
Being able to live forever, transmute gold, or be in two places at once are not impossible or even improbable now. In 20 years, there will be very little left of magic that isn’t explained by science.
Even the human mind will be subject to this, and what makes us aware will be copied, and passed down or even re invigorated in a new body, preventing natural death.
You mention the runes. Of any the great works in ancient times, the runes are the most mysterious.
Odin himself does not know their origin, possibly indicating sentient thought to have come into existence during the Creation. What we do know is that in the right order, when conscious thought is placed on them, they seem to interact with the physical world.
This can be explained by the Shcrodinger effect, and spooky action a distance. Observing something, just looking, changes predictable outcomes.
100 years ago that would have been high magic, cabbala high. Now its just accepted fact.
well i am not arguingg wether magick is science or wice-versa. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
and i know also that our current science is merely catching up to it. whereas the ancient masters walk immortal and can also transfer their whole soul, consciuosness and knowledge abroad, into other bodies send it to other persons etc., science is only trying to acomplish such things at this point. nor will science be complete till these more subtle forces and principles are included within it.
nor do i need a verification of the reality of magick for i have varified it sufficiently trough personal experiences. and in the regard of it producing results without fail if it is properly aplied and it being tied ti physics, to the very creation it is indeed science. It is also an art because it is alive,unique , consciuos and evry person every time works it a litle diferently, he being the key to all magick atleast insofar as his whole exiatence is conacerned.
instead what i seek is the practical application of magick to enhance myself, my life and whoever and whatever else. having said that, what things that can be used practicaly do you know?
and about the runes. are not the norns their originators and do they not know their origin?
2018 m. V 31 d. 17:54
and thanks for all the info up to this point.
and obvoiuosly i woulk like to know how and what exactly you yourself practise.
You said practical magic. This is a phrase that ties both our journeys. I am interested in all things, but in this the arcane, i am exclusively focsed on practical magic or as I’ve coined it, ritual based science. In all reality, experiments that will produce duplicate identical outcomes, is itself a ritual.
Furthermore, we agree that at their pinnacle, religion and science become indistinguishable.
The Norns indeed had possesion of the runes before Odin did, but from where they came and why they worked was a mystery to him.
Odin was the god of wisdom, hidden knowledge and his two ravens are Thought and Memory.
In reality as we experience it, odin a stand in for raw data. The information that cannot be destroyed and will exist until the cycle of Ragnarok turns again.
Odin speaks of songs, more likely an incantation that strung together the names of the individual runes, creating effects from never getting lost, to making your enemies swords dull, and their arrows deformed.
This reminds one of both the Hewbrew Kabbalah, the Hindu Mudra Mantra system, which spawned the Kuji in and later the Kuji Kiri system used famously by the ninja of medieval Japan.
Speaking a word creates an associated effect to the object to which the sound of the word is linked in a quantum manner
The Kuji Kiri has the practitioner make cuts, creating a conceptual 3 dimensional matrix using 9 “cuts” that depending on the order and frequency
This ancient and seemingly intuitive understanding between an action, and a seemingly impossible reaction
Well the reaction is possible because the action forces the energy to act with a certain intent which then produces the reaction.
Yes its simply how the reaction escapes base simplicity and somehow becomes more complex than the sum of its parts
Because of the fact that the underlying creation is stageringly more complex that it appears.
Even a simple though word or emotion is enough to produce incredible things.
So that in many cases any other action can be done without.
Indeed. Proposed by several scientific theories with evidence for some. But you mention the human, or rather subjective conscious experience that really defines magic from a science, and I tend to agree. It may be observation that tends to create complex systems in the face of reliably destructive forces.
Those forces are known to my kindred as Jotuns, or ice giants. Others have called them Titans. Some Angels and demons. Yin and yang, Krishna and Kali
Observation creates everything you create everything. By observing. Without subjectivity or you there is nothing.
So IT is all subjective but real indeed.
Emotions function are more easily explained through chemistry and physics than its base source. The data that must have existed at the moment of creation, that allowed for a possibility containing conscious thought. That, is the unknowable godhead of Kabbalah
But IT is knowable indeed
Because to imply knowledge of this requires its interaction with another force in order to be observed. Instead of being the force allowing such temporal phenomena. This would be like the sun understanding night…impossible.
The greatest kabbalists of tbe last 2000 years call it the unknowable because it is beyond our reach. Not to be confused with the states directly proceeding it.
Yes you have to experience IT yourself to understand IT
There is no other way
But IT can be done
Its debateable whether you would know if you had experienced something you had no reference for.
You could because soul jas knowing
And that unknowable is IT ains sof?
It may just be nirvana or a similar phenomenon that mimics such a condition, but not the condition itself. Even an enlightened being is not omnipotent. And omnipotence is what the godhead is. The lines on the field, so one knows where the rules are predictable and the game can be played.
Until you can separate the synthesis of mind body and soul, and experience them individually, one cannot give the soul any definite attribute.
We can measure the other two aspects with relative homogongy throughout the results. A soul however, has yet to be identified. Yet it is what animates our thought, so it is either a dimensionless and by default unknowable factor, or it is associated with a set of particles and or fields that allow it to exist, like all other forces yet known.
If you seek godhead seek soul travel
It is described in eckankar
This is how you realise soul
And then the godhead.
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2018 m. V 31 d. 19:26
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Soul travel is described in the Bhagvadgita. Our oldest poem. It is believed to be depicted on the megaliths of Gobelki Tepe, over 13,000 years old. Its not a new concept, thus must be repeatable and so there by practical. The statement that to experience this qualifies as knowledge of the godhead, such as the existence and specific mechanism by which it interacts with the lower forces…for exampleany two pieces that make a whole within said structure and what they do to allow the resultant complexity that we know is there.
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Not the Gita l
Soma and several altered states are described in the gita
Level of realiasation I speak of
Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.
But yet higher states of consciousness
Eckankar is older than Gita appearently
The first comparison of a god to a fundamental truth in literature I believe
Nothing we have is older than the Gita. From which all indo European belief flows.
Well this doesn’t maatter . If you apply soul travel you may succed in experiencing the godhead
We find Sumerian stories repeated verbatim, speaking to its widespread reach over a great deal of time
But this can only occur trough aplication
The first rule of every secret society or mystery religion is to be cautious ton the point of obsession.
The Kabbalah is only recommended for practice after one is old, with a grown son and no debts. Because the chance of madness or death is so high.
So IT is Largely an undebatable matter or unknowable by debates
And that’s from understanding just the lower levels. When king Solomon, the heir direct of the hermetic tradition reached to the godhead, he went insane
Oh come on
This is a prominent story in the Old testament.
There is no verification
We find many examples of this apart from King Solomon.
But anyway
Emperor Chin, the first dragon emperor, went insane in much the same way.
Okay
Only certain people where allowed into the Delphic shrine to Apollo…fearing madness. A story told throughout its history, even by Cyrus the great. To reach too far, too fast means nothing if you learn only your limits.
If knowledge like this were easy, or safe to squire and weild, then those who claim it would be known as great men.
Like Flamel, Dee or Kelly. The later two who invented enochian magic, only to have a royal house disappear after Elizabeth dies.
So much for crystal balls.
2018 m. V 1 d. 03:37
Well indeed the danger of madness is real. I know because I experienced it. But if we do these things properly it will be avoided. To everything there is a system. So also doing it properly, not too far and not too fast, can divinity be reached.
Colton praleido tavo skambutį.
2018 m. V 1 d. 03:38
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And all other works of magick yoga, etc can be of benefit and not dangerous.
2018 m. V 1 d. 06:34
You said it. Doing it properly is key. Following the Hermetic example, one transforms from lead to gold. Its presumptuous to assume one started off as copper…
And your comment regarding yoga is incorrect. American or eurocentric yoga is an excersise, not a spiritual medium. Any Yogi will tell you the dangers of locking chakras and disrupting the Kundalini that runs through the body. Adepts of Kali and the Thugee society of India did this on purpose to aid in robbing people, as it provides a way to shut down the language your body speaks. Allowing them to convince even the most careful traveller that they were fellow travelers.
I am not talking about American yoga
I do understand your point however. There are a few practices that I’ve found to rely on external energy to manifest its purpose. Icelandic staves stand out aming these.
Its American yoga that is safe. True Hatha or Raja yoga comes with these warnings.
Yep
It is the same with real chi Kung.
Indeed! Thats even more true for Qi Gung than yoga. Bak Mei went insane from his corruption of qi. Though daoists do this knowingly sometimes, so its uncertain if it was accident. Or if he was even as real as stories tell.
The staves I believe hold the key to repeatable, provable practical applications of what is considered magic.
In Iceland, the people had no time for things that did not work. Trial and error leaves us with boiled down findings, and their similarity to our earliest symmetrical wall drawings seem to confirm their timeless use.
Its this aspect, boiled down, picked over practices that have brought me to compile a grimoire of only what works better than 50% of the time, following instructions that are not dependant on ones individuality.
Pythagoras stated there are not enough lifetimes among men to fully comprehend the Mysteries, of which he was an initiate. He’s right. Science came from focusing on the practical aspects of what was ritual before.
Im simply attempting to duplicate the process in a rough manner. And I’m racing against science. It seems they are picking it up faster than most Adepts of the OTO…
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2018 m. V 1 d. 06:47
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Project Jedi and MK ULTRA seems to indicate that governments have been using practical ritual science for quite some time, with more success than they expected.
In all likelihood, they’ve already done and mastered things I only suspect to be possible…
And the discussion of the GodHead leads me to believe that a quantum dot reliant AI would be a way to duplicate it using technology…in theory there should not be an equation it cannot solve, including those pertaining to all energies humans contain and radiate.
The massive investment in AI, some of which i know personally to be aided by certain hermetic organizations. That was what made me believe in a shared interest, and thus the link to a higher consciousness. A cheat, if you can call science a cheat.
2018 m. V 4 d. 11:16
Hello colton. Regarding what you wrote about , cuold i see your grimoire?
It’s only summarized right now with what I have found to have at least some basis in either classical physics or quantum experiments. It won’t be an encyclopedia, but just a compilation of what works. All else is for the reader to discover on their own Fools Journey
so you suggest i should wait until it is finished, right?
Another codice will take a look at the different and seemingly unique effects and phenomena associated with various ethnic groups across the globe.
The female Gypsy, long believed to be in possession of mystical skills passed down the line.
The !Kung bushmen of the Kalahari, able to detect game over 100 miles away through the use of augry.
The Finnish concept of Sisu, which has no translation to english, but means roughly “internal resolve”
The Aboriginal Australian, capable of dissapearing into a flat, featureless landscape in the blink of an eye.
That compendium will be more speculative, but still attempt to resolve how these people do what they do.
well well well
this does not sound bad at all.
Yes, one must not look at an unfinished grim. It’s similar to the evil eye. Healthy critique is stagnated and leaves a mark upon the text, whereas a complete book is itself an arcane item, and not subject to subconsious inflection.
I should tell you that it was only 12 years ago that I would laugh when I heard or read things like this, until the strange things that many people just write off seemed to be more noticeable…
The ability of people to feel the gaze of another was what made me think there was science at work. Just as observation at a distance was being confirmed by findings from several leading institutes
tell me. though your knowledge is expansive, are you realy young in your magical career?
The Biblical description in such detail of The First Temple built by Solomon, supposedly using a ring…made me suspect the conductivity of all the gold used was not for ritual, but some form of containment for the energy released at the time of death from sacrifice…I didn’t put much thought into it until the Israeli’s began sending Mossad to look for the Ark of Covenant, which has it’s own set of ridiculously science based phenomena associated with it.
you know you are researching these things as if it is all new while io understand we are merely rediscovering ancient truths and perhaps aplyig them in new ways. so all you have toi do is get in contact with forces that acualy know these things your journmey will be shortened greatly.
oh of that I am quite certain. I do not believe for an instant that I am figuring anything out for the first time, quite the opposite.
Im cheating, by taking what they ancients knew, and selecting what worked more often than not, which would later become science in ancient Greece.
that is just commom sense. that is how the ancients did it too
I do believe that the ancients went about this work with means that we would not find acceptable, such as human sacrifice to gain whatever energy was left. We know this was common among many of the ancient cultures who created the megalithic structures we see today.
It was only 600 or so years ago that the Aztecs were killing hundreds of people a day in ritual sacrifice. Very disturbing to think about
simply there is a necesity to sacrifice though it is not absolute. Now, may you please tell me yur experiences with norse magick?
As did the Norse, who’s pantheon I observe. No clear record exists for me to understand their exact reason for this, but we do know it happened.
The bog man from the peats in holland hows a ritual sacrifice of what seems to be a royal person, which makes one think that this was a universally known phenom, and used either in desperation, or to subjugate either the land or another people. Not sure. Not sure if I want to know.
the use of sacrifice is simple. it is energy exchange. appease the gods and they give it all to you.
all they can give
oh wait. bryan told me yoiu are secretive? or may i ask openly of yor magick?
I determined that immediately through Newton, himself an alchemists. The exact method and loss of energy between death and action is strange
is it now? soul leaves the body. blood may also leave the body. there is nothing strange about that.
That’s equivelent to saying we understand Teslas wireless energy transfer when we have still not duplicated his specific experiments
dude
you may experience these things
We may understand the base physics but not the different mechanisms involved
you dont need scientific experments to feel ank know what is happpening.
so anyway do you even really practise? i know you said your path was one of practise but basicaly all i’ve heard up to this point are theories and facts.
I agree that we don’t need to understand it to experience it, or even replicate it consistently.
But I can’t imagine human kind giving up on knowing something when it could be key to doing things beneficial to the species.
you can know trough experience this is what i mean.
Facts are the basis of understanding. You may know that flint and steel makes fire because it does, but a lighter is far more efficient and easy to use. Similar thing here
Indeed i agree. Many of the forces later described by science were first felt before they were understood
Knowledge is indeed power. Those aren’t my words, but ancient beyond knowing.
experiece is what provides facts. experience is whaat provides knowledge. it is a matter of find the best methods for such knowlegde be they science magick or anything else
Exactly. Same page of a book. Different language.
As far as my practice, the gradual and measured use of runes to observe effects that occur more or less often is the one I’m on right now
As a novice in OTO, i also participate in ritual of which I am only partially aware of the function. Thats as much as i can say on that. But I don’t pretend for a minute to be a trailblazer.
Open secret, we in MN have Crowley’s hood from his famous picture. Fun fact.
Wow. now we are getting to interesting things. finally. so what rituals do you do in OTO?
I swore an oath binding even in death to not reveal the workings of the society. It took two years before i was confirmed and inituated.
i’ll soon paste the rest. regarding lux fero. i haver not gleamed from him even an ounce of anything worthwile .when i do i will speak differently of him.
I’m askin basic stuff since I’m new, but how do I know I evoked lucifer and not a lesser entity by accident, it’s not a big concern but I don’t wanna get fucked up from a random spirit.
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if you call luvifer then lucifer comes. it depends on intention and conjuration. other spirits will also come and may appear. you will feel which one is lucifer
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Bro…
@Robertas
Instead of talking shit about @Luxfero and basically Gossiping about him, why not confront him in pm or call him out here in this thread by tagging him.
You are channeling LUCIFER for fucks sake! You know none of the spirits play that shit.
If you have beef with someone, keep the shit to yourself or be a man and confront them in pm or handle it magically or ignore their posts
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I think I needed to hear this today. I had been feeling down. Like nothing I was doing mattered. (Probably in part to my depression stemmed from finding out I can never have children and the pain I’ve been feeling for 2.5 weeks is directly the cause.) So I havent been able to bring myself to evoking or communicating with Lucifer lately. But this makes me feel a bit reassured.
I always feel earth is a prison. That everything is against me. I always have a longing to “Go home.” And think constantly how the odds seem stacked so highly in favor of those who dont deserve it. But I need to break that. I need to be the queen I know I am.
well please seperate tat that is me my opinion on lux fero and not lucifer i conversed with him enough. i will do so again if i gain anything from it.
Now this might sound ignorant and I’m sorry if it does but could you use magick to have kids? anything is possible. Also feel better
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yes you could Kaya! dont lose hope use magick for kids i mean.
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@Robertas
I would appreciate Lucifer’s input though, because I believe Luxfero is not lying. If it is true, then practicing his method might be a more direct way to results.
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