Forgive me if this topic has been discussed but I couldn’t find any trace of it anywhere in the forum. Do all spirits come from us originally, are we the source of their existence. For example, what about spiritual entities, they have their own nature but do they originate from us. If you belief they are not part of our energy then where have they come from.
What about possessions, how does an evil spirit enter and exit the body, I would say because the person allowed it to happen. What isn’t known so much is that the exorcist really doesn’t have any control over the proceedings until the inflicted wants it to leave. Once again, it must be connected to us surely, or is it.
Taking this further, do haunted houses happen for unknown reasons or are we responsible for their origins.
What about the spirits in Grimoires. They appear to not only emulate our abilities; they also go beyond us by working outside our own influence and normal understanding.
It appears that man has created through his own random impulses, energy that has grown into independent entities that can do whatever they damn well like.
The spirits existed before humans. SO no they didn’t came “from us” but our believes gives them power to manifest easier and use their powers on the Earth itself.
The possessions can be done by spirit entering your energy body or specific layer of it. Not all possessions are like the ones in movies tbh I didn’t met person who had one “so scary” like that, even when I tried possession on my own. Its more energy exchange and yes they could take some sort of control over you, however nothing like in weird movies.
As for hounted houses - this is caused by lesser spirits/souls who arent ready to pass over or cant. Usually opening them portal to the underworld works best to solve issue.
“As within so without” So yes they’re part of you (us)… You just don’t know how big you are! It’s not that if you “die” they die, because your Divine Soul (Zetwal/Star) is imortal, and they exist because of it and the Source.
There are numerous traditions that attribute spirits to our body, the Legion of Papa Bones in Obeah, each legionary is linked to a specific bone in our body. So if all of sudden some bone disappear from us in past, present and future, so do the legionary that is related to that bone. The opposite also applies, if that spirit (and others related to it from other traditions) is erased from existence, our bone related to it would also disappear.
I also have some UPG, that in fact the Daemons of Goetia are parts of our brain, as well as the 72 angels of Shemhamforash. Not just your brain as a psychological model, but literally as the physical part of your brain, like a set of neurons. It’s just an UPG, but it coincide with much older traditions
Occultists have fought over this question for eons. Some have even changed their mind about several times. At times, like others, Crowley thought that all of the entities were in our own minds. Some of the Golden Dawn teachings seem to go that way also.
I don’t want to open a big can of worms over this as it’s like SullaFelix said,
A few years back, I was gifted a book called the ‘Black Magic Evocation of the Shem Ha Mephorash’ which is a beautiful Grimoire depicting the Shem Angels of the dark side. Now I tried an evocation using one of these angels and went into a light possession instead. I was told “leave us alone” by the angel as they didn’t like being disturbed for no reason. I was trying out the contents of the book for my friend who gave it to me but as mentioned, it wasn’t a ‘true call’ so I got this response instead. The point being, I did get a response from what was a real spirit, I don’t think it was any sort of aspect of my mind. I would also like to say here, the intuitive message that I got from this encounter was to give them total respect and use them on their own without intervention from other systems. This is why I have never used them as I would have to give up using my other magical interests.
If it wasn’t a Shem Angel them it could have been some ‘Astral Sludge’ or something trying to feed off a new magical encounter as can happen (especially when trying to bully me as it said to only use this system and no other), but if that was the case then why tell me to leave us alone?
I respect Uriens thoughts on the existence of spirits and how she views our interaction with them
This will go against many magicians who view them as parts of the mind and I can’t blame them with some of the experiences I’ve had. On the other hand, I’ve spent 2 years with the Lwa and being with the spirits of Vodou is just as real as being in a room full of people. Many of these were spirits of dead people so I know where they came from but what about other spirits, which was the reason I asked this question… If they’re real outside energies…WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?
i believe that it might really be the other way around . that a person’s soul can be a really , really tiny part of the stream of energy belonging to a spirit . in some cases , multiple spirits .
over time , that can get covered in mundaneness . in multiple … " layers " . the more shallow one is , the closer it is to the edge of it . which is who we are right now . and the deeper one is , the closer it is to the the core of it . which is the soul in its purest form . the closest one to the tiny part of the original spirit’s stream of energy .
and when they reach out to us , it slowly starts to … awaken .
that could also explain why sometimes , we get feelings of an odd familiarity from them …
Well I do believe everyone can have their own gnosis. Yes they can open or respond with specific parts of your brain but I wouldn’t say they exists just as parts of it. From my own upg there is always a being who creates other ones, usually one alpha of the kind. However idk how they are created or who created them. I never really needed to dig it up more but why you simply don’t ask a spirit ?
Well as requested, I did a ritual about spirit origins and here are the results. I used the spirit Satagraal from the Kingdoms of Flame along with the Legacy of the Divine Tarot as Satagraal is connected with this deck in my house. The main direction of this rite was centred on one thing
Where do the spirits within the majority of magical Grimoires come from?
My mind just opened to his wisdom and teachings, here was what he told me
They initially come through you because of our desire to conquer the material world here on earth. This is man’s nature and always will be. This spiritual essence of man is what causes him to WANT, it causes him to LOVE and it causes him to CONTROL. This is also what causes a great deal of death, war and destruction over time as man loves to take over and rule. Many of your spirits are therefore born out of these situations and occurrences. However, this is not where it ends…
There is an order of spiritual activity, not a hierarchy as all are worthy. It is more like an organisation of spirits, which are not part of earth as they are ascended masters; mature spiritually which have nothing to do with who is the best or who has more authority. You tend to think there is one Supreme Being because you are lower in spirit and something else reigns above when in reality, you are all Gods and have a spiritual essence which is worthy; you just need to act in this way. To climb the spiritual ladder you must not disrespect yourself; learn to appreciate all that is part of your world and most importantly, appreciate yourselves.