my name is marcus, I been practicing for 3 years now. I just started watching my purchase of ea koettings Mastering Evocations. im going to Evoke the Watcher Enki. Does anyone happen to know if there is a sigil for him? and if there is any other advise you may have would be greatly appreciated. thanks, I Marcus!
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I don’t know if there’s a sigil for him, but do a research on him, get the feel of how is he like, connect your mind to it’s mind by this preparatory immersion. Make contact in an invocation to strengthen your connection to him and then evoke him.
The Watcher and Enki are two separate entities.
[url=http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm]http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm[/url]
Conjurations etc For the Watcher from the Simon necronomicon originallly
[quote=“Azrael, post:4, topic:1793”][url=http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm]http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm[/url]
Conjurations etc For the Watcher from the Simon necronomicon originallly[/quote]
This necronomicon is the one authored by Crowley?
to respond to YogaApprentice, I believe the “The Necronomicon” published/editor Simon, where Simon is considered the author… (same wonder if this should be linked to HP Lovecraft… but in the same way that the Egyptian “Book of the Dead” isn’t linked to the Tibetan “Book of the Dead”… per title… although links do reveal some)
I don’t recall a Title by A Crowley called that, nor a comment by him directly about the HP Lovecraft (and the Simon was first Mainstream Published after AC, although Manuscript may be been around-known in AC’s time? -just like Kingdom of Flames and/or OAA manuscript teachings may have been around 'in another form" previously… recevied, vs interpreted, vs developed //?
I wonder if you might have seen a reference to if I recall- the Necronomicon, and the Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon, the 2 and 70 sigils), with a little intro in a single text… that might have had Crowley mentioned in the title or author…?
in case that sounds right
also the question if a part of Enochian is referencing some “inner plane’s -teachings” that HP Lovecraft might have accessed through Dream/vision/intuition… and that the Simon title … and perhaps some else might be revealing/driven by that “current” …
(reminds me of a Gnosis Magazine article about the Angelic Keys seen from a Gnostic viewpt of “opening to the Outside”… related to some context in Necronomicon “Gates” and steps down… Further… Revelations Seals and all that)
To ref the Enki of Babylonian as one line of research, as well as one of the 3 great Watchers (along with Anu and Enlil) adds a different linkage as expressed in that… the 2 might dovetail… but the key is whether one is following the Conjuration (first the invocation of Inanishtar; and then the Conjure of the Fire… later the initial use of the Bowl… until then to Call a Watcher…
-the issue being in the versions published, beyond some recent “corrections”- that the needed “herb” to be burned as incense is stressed as Necessary… but is missing from the text ?
(per a note in the text- this part missing or something like that)
** Seems a bit of an issue if Following, vs being inspired by…
(but once walk the second gate- thus onward all different? per having visited the place… now when invoc Inanishtar … <more distinct the signal?>
just distinctions that might add to the subsyn-prep you are doing to fit in this to all Else pluging into
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… I was led and found this page/article- might be of interest
[url=http://necronomicontradition.forumchitchat.com/post/mystical-practices-of-the-necronomicon-tradition-5862295?highlight=necronomicon]http://necronomicontradition.forumchitchat.com/post/mystical-practices-of-the-necronomicon-tradition-5862295?highlight=necronomicon[/url]
also to note that Enki (SSARAKIA- of the Waters; Kia Mass Ssaratu) one of the 3 “Great watchers” (of the Elder Gods- so perhaps less a watcher, than the rulers over such)… but more Enki (the mage) could be linked to Thoth/Hermes…
and Enki&Tiamet (before that Serpent was separated) was called Hea… [or Ea}… [zia anna kanpa]
[quote=“taokua, post:6, topic:1793”]to respond to YogaApprentice, I believe the “The Necronomicon” published/editor Simon, where Simon is considered the author… (same wonder if this should be linked to HP Lovecraft… but in the same way that the Egyptian “Book of the Dead” isn’t linked to the Tibetan “Book of the Dead”… per title… although links do reveal some)
I don’t recall a Title by A Crowley called that, nor a comment by him directly about the HP Lovecraft (and the Simon was first Mainstream Published after AC, although Manuscript may be been around-known in AC’s time? -just like Kingdom of Flames and/or OAA manuscript teachings may have been around 'in another form" previously… recevied, vs interpreted, vs developed //?
I wonder if you might have seen a reference to if I recall- the Necronomicon, and the Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon, the 2 and 70 sigils), with a little intro in a single text… that might have had Crowley mentioned in the title or author…?
in case that sounds right
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Yes youre right tao =) tnx for your reply
[quote=“YogaApprentice, post:5, topic:1793”][quote=“Azrael, post:4, topic:1793”][url=http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm]http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm[/url]
Conjurations etc For the Watcher from the Simon necronomicon originallly[/quote]
This necronomicon is the one authored by Crowley?[/quote]
I thought Lovecraft or is that a fiction book?
[quote=“Jakob420, post:8, topic:1793”][quote=“YogaApprentice, post:5, topic:1793”][quote=“Azrael, post:4, topic:1793”][url=http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm]http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm[/url]
Conjurations etc For the Watcher from the Simon necronomicon originallly[/quote]
This necronomicon is the one authored by Crowley?[/quote]
I thought Lovecraft or is that a fiction book?[/quote]
Oh dear…
Jee that book was written by a mad arabic guy…the only good version was written by john doe…the queen of england secretary…something like that…
written no sorry, translated!
[quote=“UndeadGod333, post:9, topic:1793”][quote=“Jakob420, post:8, topic:1793”][quote=“YogaApprentice, post:5, topic:1793”][quote=“Azrael, post:4, topic:1793”][url=http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm]http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm[/url]
Conjurations etc For the Watcher from the Simon necronomicon originallly[/quote]
This necronomicon is the one authored by Crowley?[/quote]
I thought Lovecraft or is that a fiction book?[/quote]
Oh dear…[/quote]
I’m confused is there several authors to one book? Or several books all different with the same title?
There are a few books with a similar title by different authors. Most based on Lovecrafts stories as well as ancient Sumerian deities. It’s mostly set up as fiction yet inspired in some real ways by those forces. Some of it is definitely workable.
[quote=“Jakob420, post:8, topic:1793”][quote=“YogaApprentice, post:5, topic:1793”][quote=“Azrael, post:4, topic:1793”][url=http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm]http://www.ping.de/sites/systemcoder/necro/rites/watcher2.htm[/url]
Conjurations etc For the Watcher from the Simon necronomicon originallly[/quote]
This necronomicon is the one authored by Crowley?[/quote]
I thought Lovecraft or is that a fiction book?[/quote]
No Lovecrafts work is fiction and so is most of the necronomicon but the systems is functional enough
[quote=“sunas, post:10, topic:1793”]Jee that book was written by a mad arabic guy…the only good version was written by john doe…the queen of england secretary…something like that…
written no sorry, translated![/quote]
John Dee and yeah he also Founded the Enochian Magickal system with Edward Kelly allot of his stuff is pretty boss IMO
It Is all the same, it doesn’t matter who wrote it, who translated it or whatever version it is, it is more fiction then, anything else.
It speaks about real things in a fictional setting. Interesting, but that is mostly it.
Hey it works, and that’s all that really matters. All magick, in some way, is made up out of shit that didn’t have any merit until it was practiced, so whether it is “fiction” or not is really up to the practitioner. Is the mad Arab an actual individual who practiced this magic? No. Do the entities in that work ave existence and power that the magician can tap in to? Yup
[quote=“sunas, post:15, topic:1793”]It Is all the same, it doesn’t matter who wrote it, who translated it or whatever version it is, it is more fiction then, anything else.
It speaks about real things in a fictional setting. Interesting, but that is mostly it.[/quote]
I think to some extent every type of writing/story/memory speaks of real things in a fictional setting. What I find interesting about the Necronomicon is that I know it is fiction before I pick it up, and in so I have no attachment to it. It works but I have no reverence (this is the wrong word, I am looking for something else here but it is late and I don’t want to lose my thoughts) for the entities in it as I would for the Goetia or another book.
Thanks for clearing that up I thought it was fiction but then while watching the evocation course I seen ea talk about his success with the book and was wondering if it was the same book I heard of as a child.
As for the Tibetan Book, its actual title is called the Book of Great Liberation. The westerners who wanted to make a splash called it the Book of the Dead, because “Dead is spookier” and would have more occultish draw.
Also because it is recited by Priests over the dead, in order to help guide the spirit.
The Egyptian “book of the Dead” is actually called “The Book of coming out by Day”, also misnomed for the same reason.
As for the Necronomicon, I would highly recommend going to The Papers in the Attic website and sign up for the Asaru tradition; they are powerful experts in the Nec:. and will guide you well as it for a beginner can be much like strapping a baby to a surfboard and throwing them into a river. AC did not actually translate the Nec:. he did what he did with many other books- Trans-opinionated it.
Don’t Tapdance in a minefield without the floorplan, and don’t bring family and friends with you.
FDM
[quote=“taokua, post:6, topic:1793”]to respond to YogaApprentice, I believe the “The Necronomicon” published/editor Simon, where Simon is considered the author… (same wonder if this should be linked to HP Lovecraft… but in the same way that the Egyptian “Book of the Dead” isn’t linked to the Tibetan “Book of the Dead”… per title… although links do reveal some)
I don’t recall a Title by A Crowley called that, nor a comment by him directly about the HP Lovecraft (and the Simon was first Mainstream Published after AC, although Manuscript may be been around-known in AC’s time? -just like Kingdom of Flames and/or OAA manuscript teachings may have been around 'in another form" previously… recevied, vs interpreted, vs developed //?
I wonder if you might have seen a reference to if I recall- the Necronomicon, and the Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon, the 2 and 70 sigils), with a little intro in a single text… that might have had Crowley mentioned in the title or author…?
in case that sounds right
also the question if a part of Enochian is referencing some “inner plane’s -teachings” that HP Lovecraft might have accessed through Dream/vision/intuition… and that the Simon title … and perhaps some else might be revealing/driven by that “current” …
(reminds me of a Gnosis Magazine article about the Angelic Keys seen from a Gnostic viewpt of “opening to the Outside”… related to some context in Necronomicon “Gates” and steps down… Further… Revelations Seals and all that)
To ref the Enki of Babylonian as one line of research, as well as one of the 3 great Watchers (along with Anu and Enlil) adds a different linkage as expressed in that… the 2 might dovetail… but the key is whether one is following the Conjuration (first the invocation of Inanishtar; and then the Conjure of the Fire… later the initial use of the Bowl… until then to Call a Watcher…
-the issue being in the versions published, beyond some recent “corrections”- that the needed “herb” to be burned as incense is stressed as Necessary… but is missing from the text ?
(per a note in the text- this part missing or something like that)
** Seems a bit of an issue if Following, vs being inspired by…
(but once walk the second gate- thus onward all different? per having visited the place… now when invoc Inanishtar … <more distinct the signal?>
just distinctions that might add to the subsyn-prep you are doing to fit in this to all Else pluging into
============
… I was led and found this page/article- might be of interest
[url=http://necronomicontradition.forumchitchat.com/post/mystical-practices-of-the-necronomicon-tradition-5862295?highlight=necronomicon]http://necronomicontradition.forumchitchat.com/post/mystical-practices-of-the-necronomicon-tradition-5862295?highlight=necronomicon[/url]
also to note that Enki (SSARAKIA- of the Waters; Kia Mass Ssaratu) one of the 3 “Great watchers” (of the Elder Gods- so perhaps less a watcher, than the rulers over such)… but more Enki (the mage) could be linked to Thoth/Hermes…
and Enki&Tiamet (before that Serpent was separated) was called Hea… [or Ea}… [zia anna kanpa][/quote]