That’s cool. When the grimoires say visualize, I swap that word for imagine though and make out pretty damned well with most systems, but it’s always nice to find something that just works as it is.
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Yeah it was kind of mantra like and my imaginations drifted and blended and developed as I went almost on autopilot so I did go into a bit of a trance just by it’s own effect of repetition and vibrations of my voice rather than by intending to which was quite nice.
There was some noise outside when I did the ritual and even thought the instructions say to just ‘consider’ your desire while gazing, I repeated mine out loud throughout just to block that noise.
I’m sure I didn’t break anything by doing it this way lol.
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Performed a ritual last night and the night before using this book. Impressed so far! Like @Ironchakra1 said, the energy is super palpable and I find myself drawn into and mesmerised by the tablets/sigils.
I really like the aspect of calling to the forces and repeating/emphasising your outcome to them; I noticed all the subtle changes in feeling on calling to each entity.
Overall I just think the Enochian system is cool as hell. Like a programming language you use to inject code into the universe. Really happy with this so far.
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I bought this book as well. I am currently doing Success Magick, too. I am hoping to use this book to boost my efforts with Success Magick. I just need to find somewhere quiet to chill for an hour. I like his books, but I sometimes find it hard to find an hour to switch off from the world–especially since my husband has been working from home for nearly a year.
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Those who did a ritual may I ask how did you scan the sigil? I couldn’t find instructions so I did the outer ring anti clockwise then the names inside the circle right to left like I do with GOM books! I know it said you can just rest your eyes on the white area so the sigil gets in to your subconscious so when I repeated my request i did that.
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I did the ritual pretty much the same as you have. The outer ring first then read the names right to left as the lettering is a continuous spelling of all the names in one.
As I scan the names over and over I’m thinking of nothing, just letting the shapes in. After doing that for a little while and feeling relaxed I then look into the white space and think of my desire. When saying my statement, I found myself repeatedly saying and feeling and seeing it while scanning the names in order to make sure that was all that was on my mind and therefore focused.
As simple as this process is, the important part is in crafting the statement so that it best suits what your desire actually is, which is the bit that takes the most time.
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Thanks ! yeah I like how he says at the end " if you feel confused and want to ask the author then your are overthinking" so I did my own thing!
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I scan the out circle letters from left to right if I do a positive working and from right to left when I do a negative working. If you want to speak things into existence you start in the east and finish the circle clockwise, if you curse or do other negative working you move counterclockwise (undo creation). I then gaze into the large “square” for a couple of seconds.
Its fine to scan the GOM books anti clockwise because its Hebrew and thats how its read.
Just my POV on the topic.
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I’m highly reluctant to trust a word this guy has put out after reading his first few books and laughing
I’ll let others split test this one for a while before I give it a go. He might actually be someone worth taking seriously after all
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Why?
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Everything about him screams “cash in” to me. Like he spent more time on talking to designers about the covers than the actual content of the books.
The giveaway was the rite with Sitri I found that could have just as easily been pulled from that spells of magic website most people find when first getting into all of this. It may as well have been content from some Archangel prayer to Michael for protection that people throw in a meme format and share around, only …for sale.
I’ve worked with internet marketers who look at the actual product they sell as a necessary evil they have to put up with and they’ll spend 100x more time on sales copy, branding, and packaging than they will on making the product as amazing as possible. The whole fitness industry is based on this now. (Looking at “V-Shred” the overplayed youtube ad guy for example. “You don’t burn fat on a program, you actually burn calories! lol” etc.)
His whole feel looks very much like it came from this perspective to me, especially his whole “pathworking” deal where he basically just took sensory associations that are often called Evocation Keys or Correspondences and named it a commonly used short tail occult keyword and called it his own thing.
Sensory associations are a fantastic side benefit to enhance a good ritual structure most the time but it’s a brand meme trick to catch people who don’t read past the first book they find because it sounds groundbreaking with a weird twist on calling it new and unique
It makes sense from a branding perspective, excellent actually if the only goal is to sell books so it’s a smart move for business.
I’d never recommend anything of his I’ve read though to a newcomer because it feels downright patronizing with how it’s presented and it doesn’t feed into a deeper skillset.
If it gets people results safely and they get a taste to move on to more serious work then bonus. It’s a bit light on substance for my tastes though, and especially if it’s in exchange for money. It’s on par with any of the free content that’s widely available here though I’m willing to be convinced otherwise if he’s put anything out that’s more creative than scraping forum content and throwing it in a spinwriter.
With Enochian especially… You’d need to be very well studied to make it practical and safe for people to just pick up a book and fire off. I don’t trust his study or his approach with how slapdash the works I’ve read feel
Same way I wouldn’t run code written by a jr high kid with a linux book that could potentially reformat a server I run sensitive business on. I’ll save that level of depth for someone with an excellent track record and even then I’d have a backup
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Well yes it’s a fancy book cover and it’s a short read, probably stripped down quite a lot from what you use but there is that chance he has developed something since the last time you read his stuff.
These are the first Enochian rituals I’ve tried as yet and so nothing for me to give comparison to but I can say that the healing ritual from this book is continuing to give results on something I was struggling to see a way into.
There is a definite overall feeling of healing to my situation but I should add that I also aimed two other rituals at the situation from another book, one for success and another for movement in order to compliment different aspects.
Perhaps this book will turn out to be a good companion working for other magick (as he says in the book), perhaps not a one ritual working, though it remains to be seen so far.
What I just wrote there could make it seem like it hides behind other rituals that do the actual work and then take some of the glory but, again, I do feel the overall sense of the healing I was searching for, also the sense of movement yes, but I can’t discount the healing side of it because that is most definitely there.
Another thing that is refreshing to me is the past tense phrasing.
No transmutation or superimposing a false present tense, which really isn’t a problem to do but with this you just emphasise on looking back and seeing your reconstruction of the likely past (from the future perspective) as a way of framing your statement.
The reason I like this format is that I often think of magick as a retrospective action due to the time is not linear concept.
Yeah he might well be.
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I like that emotional anchor manifestation for sigils. Sounds cool and it’s very effective for Chaos magick. It got me some amazing results so I like that it can be used with Enochian.
I’ve found transmutation works great with Kaballah based angels but for some reason most Enochian seems to be “manifest this state” based with it’s command interface. I might grab it and compare to the other works I have.
How comprehensive is the background behind the tech in it? Does it feel like a book of spells or is it more like a grimorie with various spirits with different aspects for different situations? Enochian is far from being that simple but I’d like to see his take on it. Enochian is so complex most of the time one needs to be an occult scholar or familiar with the Golden Dawn’s systems to begin to tinker with it
Hardly anyone is going to get on here and talk about their evocation experience with Rxnl due to this. The various Aethers or Watchtower tablets are another world to pick apart too
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Yeah, manifest this state is pretty much what it is all about. Or more like, you take the view that it’s already happened and you are thinking with a memory statement of it.
I would like to see your opinion and comparisons with what you know, that would be cool.
It’s a book of ten sigils each with their own tablet of names. You gaze, you dream, you speak, you get.
You can be as general or as specific as you choose on any of the rituals.
As for the background of the tech, well he does hint at the background but the whole book is just 80 pages long with a lot of it on the how to rather than where it comes from.
Actually it does feel a bit like a book of spells but they are all spells of your own making. Each sigil contains their own list of spirits: names of god, summoning and commanding spirits, elders and names of angels and demons.
You get to decide what each ritual means to you from the brief descriptions and find your own interpretation from that so it’s quite a loose framework in that respect.
I thought Enochian was supposed to be complicated as well but here it is in 80 pages laid out nice and easy.
Not everything has to be complicated all the time. Look at those guitar scales, after all they are just a fret at a time and skip a note here and there.
The theory behind those scales, books full of details on them but in the end they are just details when what you want is the music.
I’m intrigued on what your perspective might be on this book.
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I wonder if Hargrove is either trying to teach beginners to respect the magick, or is just building discipline because it seems in every book, he recommends things that just seem unnecessary., especially for relatively simple magicks. In the Goetia Pathworking book, for example, he hearkens back to classic grimoire tradition and says to have no sex or masturbation for three days, and to take a shower, before doing a ritual, which is basically purification, and in the Enochian book he says to sit quietly for an hour, what he describes as “be alone, be quiet, shut up, shut down.”
Now, i understand that kind of preparation for something like full physical evocation (EA recommends setting up the temple 1-3 hours before the ritual in his books, for example) but for a short 5 minute ritual like that in Universal Magick, it seems a bit excessive.
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Maybe it is for self discipline or to connect yourself to the moment you enact. It’s obviously a beginner friendly book but that won’t exclude the more experienced practitioners.
The idea of think before you speak comes to mind with how he says to contemplate for an hour, although he does say that it might take you less time to form your request.
If you can form your statement on the fly and it fits then yeah why not go for it but then there are plenty of people who say oops I got exactly what I asked for or nothing at all so I think that is the reason for sitting down and thinking it through for a bit. That will at at least ensure you feel like you have prepared for it.
But then with this book of ‘only’ ten rituals which you drill down into let’s you choose exactly how to direct it as opposed to some books with hundreds of possible options with only slightly differing suggestions. You could easily spend much more time finding the right ritual in other books compared to the make up your own approach with this one.
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In my experience the hour of silence is used to reconnect with your “senses” again. I used to work a lot on the pc and every ritual I did afterwards felt like shit, when I take time to quite down and shut all the electricity down which is constantly feeding my brain with overstimulation everything seems far more vivid and I sense the energy and power more. So that is what he might wants to achieve.
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I did a ritual from the book last night. I did not do the one hour suggested “tune out and tune in,” but i did do my usual ritual prep of relaxation, and meditation on my breath for about 15 minutes to help focus. It seemed to work well enough as I got a really good response from the Enochian square.
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I’ve used it a few times, and I used it in conjunction with a genius for someone else on Wednesday of last week. I’ve done it both ways so far with prep, and without prep. I do so much magic that most of my days are essentially preparing for a ritual later, so I’m not really sure I need that hour prep time.
She (The person I used it for) emailed me yesterday that she’s seeing dramatic results from the one ritual and genius. I didn’t do prep time for this one.
Honestly, Damon Brand’s Enochian is even simpler and it gives results, so ruling Hargrove out based on simplicity is just stupid imop as far as the rest of that discussion goes. Most people start this magic thing to get results, so I think getting right to the point and brining in results from simple rituals makes it more likely for some to actually dig deeper.
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Hello! Purchased the book in question some days ago. So far did 2 rituals, but one was aimed at result without specific timeframe that should take some time (already seeing some signs that it is working tho), and another one is just to boost particular sphere of my magick, but I am doing a lot of other work on this question, so probably wouldn’t be able to tell particular effect of UM.
However, while working on the rituals I definitely felt an interesting energy. It did not feel angelic nor demonic, but something different instead. Slightly… Electric? Light and heavy at the same time, genlte but intense, a little warm, a little cool. Oh, the more I try to describe it the more I just confuse myself and the reader. I’d just recommend to try it.
What I appreciate about this book is that it gives just ten “general” powers that you can tune according to your wish, and that is the most flexible and creative magick I know of, apart from servitors. It can be good for some people and bad for others, depending on approach. But it is one of those books that can become your “main” working grimoire if you’re looking for one, much like ones on Goetia, angelic magick, servitors etc, because it covers a broad variety of situations. Two aspects of money, healing, two baneful powers, protection, transformation and some more. The only thing I am not sure of is lust, but for love there is a power of Belonging, ant it’s not the only use for said power.
All in all, I sense great potential in this book and personally feel very drawn to it. To the point it’s really hard to foolow author’s advice and wait 2-3 days between each ritual. It’s not necessary, but I usually follow such recommendations, especially when trying a new method or book.
But instead of 1 hour of preparation (doing nothing, thinking about magick) mentioned above I am doing 5-15 minutes. It is allowed and still good, and I am doing it before every ritual now (2-4 rituals per day, including daily practice of Mystical Words of Power and Success Magick). The point of this advice, as I see it, is to just divide magickal from mundane and get rid of distracting thoughts. But it is just a recommendation, and for me 1 hour of waiting seems to be overkill since I start to get bored doing nothing and distraction is coming back to me. So it’s individual thing I guess.
UPD: And yes, another thing worth mentioning. There is a method to use powers in the book to boost your other, even non-enochian, magick in the field of each power, so you can use this book as a power-up, and if it works - this method alone will make a book worth purchasing.
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