The reason you think that is because people don’t actually distinguish preternatural from supernatural. The supernatural is outside the bounds of nature which means outside the created order- ie the realm of God or source. Preternatural is highest in the created order. Now, anything you can mentally conceive of is by definition not source and therefore created. Therefore anything that is accomplished and is possible is by definition not supernatural, but preternatural, therefore not a miracle, but a marvel- a higher order of nature acting in a way we do not understand.
That makes sense. So how do you explain what Jesus Christ is detailed to have done? I believe Jesus was simply a magician but if your saying raising someone from the dead after 3 days (Lazarus, not himself) is an act that only God could do then surely that would mean that he was in contact with more than what most magicians are in contact with these days?
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The claim of Christianity is Jesus was God. If that miracle is true either he was truly God or God worked through him. The question is whether the Father of Jesus is YHwH or the One Beyond being who is unnameable and many named. This is the crisis of the gnostics.
Considering YHWH is nothing like Jesus im forced to say Jesus, if he was indeed able to do what is claimed, was from somewhere similar to what the gnostic would say if not a magician. Calling the true creator anything is taking away from what it truly is because you cant really dilute infinity to a name or a concept.
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So the question is whether analogy is meaningful, that a thing is both like and unlike what it predicates. So we can say for example God is good with a goodness like ours but if an infinitely greater quality. It’s not the same, but not less than.
But to the reality of shapeshifting I would defer to Eliphas Levi who talks about this.
But if you say God is good, then that limits God to being strictly good and therefore not infinite. You see what i mean lol.
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Say that to some “Ghede” spirits from Haiti that can pretty much make the dead rise again. Again, you follow whatever you want, but to don’t try put people down as if you were an “all-knowing” person. There are no true paradigms, so if a person believe in scientism and that demons or whatever break the laws of physics that means it’s meaningful and important to their practice. I believe that the laws of Malkuth are different than the spiritual world, so if a strong energy is condensed in the Astral it can pretty much become real. Or you gonna say that an object appearing out of nowhere (materialization) does not break the laws of physics?
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If we’re to go with what post is saying then id say materializing something is not outside the laws of physics. Energy is a part of physics and condensing energy is also physics, whether thats subtle energies or physical electricity.
As for the ghede spirits raising the dead, ig it depends whether the person is actually risen or if the body is just filled with enough energy to make it work again. Humans are electrical beings and if you add enough energy to restart the human brain and KEEP it working then it will work again. But theres a difference between that and putting a persons astral body back in its physical body.
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The people were either never really dead or in a state only simulating death or the soul was not fully detached. Death can be simulated. It’s just a trick some demons pull- not impressive really.
Absolutely, teleportation and this other stuff is not outside the bounds of physics, it’s outside our accessibility, but not spirits, which is why so much of the crazier stuff takes place in a state of semi or full possession. But your genetics are not being recoded.
Proof?
Edit: By they way, I think that’s a great topic to talk about. If @Mulberry or @DarkestKnight can split this thread into another topic, so it doesn’t pollute the original question.
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Yes. Definitely. Lets get this split into another topic.
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You can unlock Siddhis by unlocking/dissolving the Granthis that exist, there’s 3 main ones but many other hidden ones. This usually happens through kundalini and yoga and is a long-term thing (forcing it or trying to rush it can make you go crazy and other issues). I mention this because theoretically that is the “complete” human form full of siddhis, so what we see as miraculous now is how we are when fully “activated”, humans definitely are at the top of the food chain imo, at least above most spirits.
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“This means there never has been and never will be a case of actual genetic shape shifting. What is perceived is a glamour- either the light around the body or the light entering the eyes of the observer is manipulated by the demon to perceive the animal that the possessed is shifted into. That and there can be instances of intense astral projection into other forms as Eliphas Levi talks about.”
This is very interesting. Have you researched this more? I would imagine that if magician wants to operate in this area, they must first create some kind of shield from which the light can be refracted and radiated as desired. Am I right? Do you have any sources where I can research this further? Or entities I can contact about this?