Eastern and Western Kali

Is it true that now we also have a western kali which is a thoughtform which has developed as result of westerners being so attracted to kali and this western kali can be worshipped in wiccan or pagan style? So now we have an Eastern Kali which is worshipped in India and Nepal predominantly and a western kali too? Are there any westerners on this forum who worship kali in wiccan or pagan style?

I don’t know if a split or thought form is necessarily the case when it comes to a deity being worshipped in different areas around the world. I think it is more or less the same deity but is understood differently due to lack of exposure to the context or from that deity being “plugged” into a new one entirely. I guess the best way to describe it would be the bloodthirsty, passionate war Greek God Ares being turned into his defense focused aspect under the name Mars by the Romans’ ethics when it comes to warfare at the time. But yes, kali is growing in popularity in the West it seems.

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Nah i don’t agree.
Eventhough many worshippers of Kali in the west but her traditional aura is mostly present.
Her vibrations only are very tropical imo

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A western feminist writer, i am being told has written about this thoughtform western kali. Because kali represents this poweful feminine energy, as a result of which maybe the writer believes such. Nonetheless I adore kali but i hesitate in chanting her mantra only coz in hindu tradition they say u gotta receive mantra from a guru! Or is it a myth and i should go ahead and start chanting her mantra?

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What elements does your altar have? Complete Indian or a bit of mix and match of Hindu and pagan?

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My Kali shrine has asian elements in general.
Mother Kali showed me the way back to martial arts.
I think a combo of representing her as a goddess and what she is and does for you is the best way to create an altar or shrine for her

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Honestly, while the tradition may have been so in history, it seems more of an excuse for gurus to prey on those seeking enlightenment through their money. Money that the same individual could use to improve their own lives. It seems similar to how the medieval catholic church used to tell people how they can ensure their loved ones went to heaven if they paid the church enough. So, I say go ahead and use the mantra to see where it takes you.

Personally, I have not worked with Kali myself, although I do have deep respect for her. I cannot speak on her altar but I have seen others place statues of her on her altar with flowers, fruits, statues of skulls and usually are burning incense. The one thing I do know for sure based on my own experience is that human tradition from any culture relating the spirituality is mainly for us, not the spirits. Therefore, following or not following a particular tradition strictly does not seem to bother the deity themselves. They are there to help humans establish connections with the divine, not to be used as chains

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beautiful :blush:

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You could approach Lord Ganesha as the gatekeeper, ask him to send you a clear sign you will see and understand as to whether this is okay for you to do without guru initiation?

That way you stay within the traditional system.

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Thank you!

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can u please post a picture of her yantra as many sources say one must have the perfect yantra to get the results. also there are subtle differences in yantra available online

it’s on my shrine on picture 1 behind her statue

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