Yes, Bbylon, you did, with this statement:
“I would hope that this ritual isn’t about the participants trying to enact macrocosmic change without enacting it on the microcosmic level.”
You just ASSUMED that “participants” - by which I believe you mean me, but whatever - are doing NOTHING except posting about some random dairy issue.
That, until you prodded us, we’ve never once thought about any OTHER changes we could make to honour whatever values we hold dear?
You know jack shit about me, about my ethics regarding animals and the environment, and I am not - as I said - going to lay those out or play Moral Wars by trying to “prove” to you that I in some way deserve to share some moral highground you set yourself up as the arbiter to define.
You may be “so over” the debate, but I still have some fight in me, and it seems like I get the last word on this one, so I’m going to take it.
I’m over trying to prove myself to keyboard warriors who don’t get the difference between magick, in which you act from Will, and religion, in which certain moral absolutes must first be thrashed out, and then agreed upon, by self-appointed moral police.
Vegans can, if they wish, join in this working, vegetarians can, carnivores who care about welfare can - hell, if someone on here gets off on rolling in cowpats and wants more of them in the fields, that also is fine.
Magick is about action, not trying to be the “rightest of the right.”
[b]I don’t give two shits about the cows.[/b] I really don’t.
This is becoming increasingly clear.
I do, and hey, isn’t life’s diversity a grand thing?
The arguments that you prepared yourself for were the typical emotionally driven arguments that usually come out, but I never made those.
Bbylon, I don’t even KNOW what you’re on about here, I addressed Cowspiracy because it was mentioned above and has been influential, I get that, I have no idea why you think you can mind-read me, mind-reading you… it’s ridiculous.
Stick to what’s typed on a screen, instead of this nonsensical “You think that I think that tra-la-la,” please?
I spoke to people who were concerned about the conditions in farms, but that’s never been my issue.
But as my OP and subsequent statements made clear, it’s mine, in this thread.
So, this is kind of a derailment, and though I think you’re trying to be true to some cause or whatever, you have just admitted to 1. not giving two shits about the cows, and 2. that farm animal welfare isn’t your issue.
So, what IS your purpose for posting in this thread, precisely?
But I stand by what I said: you can’t call on a spirit and expect it to do all the work for you.
If you can find the bit where I actually said that, fantastic!
I said I’d work WITH Hathor, as a link (is my intent) to the fundamental Cowishness of cows, something like that - their right to sunshine, gambolling around the fields (as they do in, for example, Waitrose and other good farms) - you’re just putting words in my mouth I never typed, here.
I still get a milkshake from the local ice cream shop once a month, and I’d be willing to give that up to show a spirit I was working with that I meant business. Again, just one seemingly insignificant thing; not doing much damage having it, not doing much help not having it.
We pay a premum price to buy organic (more than the 100 day pledge) from Waitrose, which I appreciate is gibberish to non-Brits but they’re basically a supermarket with consistantly high animal welfare standards, they win Compassion In World Farming’s awards time after time, they take that stuff seriously.
So do Yeo Valley (not cheap) and various farmer’s markets, all of which we buy from in preference to the cheap and cheerless stuff produced by cows in less fortunate situations.
I could, of course, save a substantial amount over a year by buying from economy supermarkets who don’t give a damn, or who buy imported processed cheese and stuff from countries with worse standards, but no.
So, the point I’m making, which your first presumptive post in here totally failed to factor in, is that since I care about animal welfare, I am already, for my household, buying the highest welfare animal products available.
And, you maybe can’t get that kind of thing where you live, and that’s sad, but you gotta survive, I get that - honestly this is a storm in a teacup.
You’re thinking of doing this ritual on a Monday, and presumably not every spirit called on will be from cultures where they revered and also slaughtered cattle,
Since I’m not sot setting myself up as Ethical Queen of this thread, I figured people could work that stuff out on their own, actually.
so Meatless Monday may be something someone would want to try, at least on a temporary basis. It’s hardly an unprecedented thing for a magician to change their behavior while working with a particular spirit… Which is the [i]only[/i] reason I brought it up.
No, you didn’t bring it by saying “hey, who’s on for adding Meatless Monday to this?” - which would have been fine - you posted “I would hope that this ritual isn’t about the participants trying to enact macrocosmic change without enacting it on the microcosmic level.”
That’s so passive-aggressive and arrogantly presumptive about what people may be already doing, that it just totally has nothing to do with any sacrifice YOU may be willing to make, and is all about setting yourself up to judge others.
But, you all can do whatever you want. I’m out.
Do as thou wilt.
I plan to, for sure!
Happy farm animals are important to me, I invited anyone who feels the same to join in - you don’t give two shits about the cows, that’s your choice, go for it.