I stumbled upon an interesting post about demons today. It was pure coincidence, I was looking for a grimoire and this showed up at the bottom of the page.
Basically, in that post (dedicated to beginners) the OP talks about the ‘dangers’ of working with demons. See the link at the end of the post if you want to read it all.
Here is what I extracted:
So, why don’t I work with demons?
- I don’t believe anything’s for free. I once asked the spirit who taught me most of what I know about ritual magick about summoning demons. She said it was something I never wanted to do. I asked why. She said there are two general approaches to summoning demons, one in which you negotiate with the demon for services and the other which appears to give you control over the demon. She said both indebt you to that demon, and you have to pay the piper after you’ve died. I’ve never found anything she said about ritual magick to be wrong, so I don’t presume this is wrong. Because among other things…
- Demons have had aeons to perfect the art of deception. I have had coworkers I profoundly disliked who believed I liked them just fine. We never had any problems working togther to projects. Why? Because when there is self-interest involved, I have the ability to engage in deceptive behavior, and playing nice with my coworkers makes me a more valuable member of the department, getting me bigger raises. One of the pieces of “evidence” that people who work with demons often cite to “prove” its safety is to discuss how unthreatening entities like King Paimon are. Well yeah. If I can figure out how to fool you into thinking I like you with just a few decades of work experience under my belt, how much moreso an immortal entity that’s been doing this for thousands of years? The most skillful human minipulators in the world are babies compared to immortal entities that have had thousands of years to perfect their art. But why would demons need to be deceptive, you ask?
- Demons really, really don’t like us.
- They have no problems hurting us. If I summoned a human spirit and told it I wanted it to go make your life absolutely miserable because you said something mean about me, virtually any human spirit would refuse on ethical grounds–nobody deserves to go through absolute misery because they said something mean. Demons, on the other hand, are generally happy to inflict human misery whenever asked.
- They DO have problems helping us. It’s not universal (see “deception” above) but demons are known to occasionally fulfill the letter of any bargain they strike while twisting the intent around when they are summoned to help rather than harm humans, causing the people who summon them significant regret.
- There’s a reason you need a circle of protection and a triangle of conjuration (or similar precautions) when evoking demons. You don’t need these things for any other spiritual entity you might evoke. Just demons. Just sayin’.
- Whenever I encounter demons on other planes of existance, they attack without provocation. Because I used to seek out such encounters, I’ve probably been in this scenario a hundred times. Beginning with the very first encounter, violence has always ensued the moment they saw me, no exceptions. Other people who astral travel and visit other planes of existence report the same. So do human spirits of the dead. Demons are at war with us.
- There’s nothing you can accomplish by summoning a demon that you can’t accomplish with other techniques of magick. I’ve asked multiple experienced occultists (those with years of experience, who have significant experience with Goetic workings as part of their larger magickal studies) what they can do with a demon that they couldn’t do without one. They’ve never come up with anything. One common rule of safety when working with demons is to never summon something you aren’t strong enough to banish. If you’re strong enough to banish it, your magick is stronger, and anything that demon can do, you could also do–without the risks and costs outlined above.
TL;DR: I don’t want to risk putting myself in the hands of beings with a demonstrable history of malice towards us simply because I’m too lazy to cast some other spell to get what I want.
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Obviously this stirred some thoughts in my head and the first thing that came to my mind was:
How does OP know if the god he is working with isn’t manipulating him? The gods are as old and maybe even older than demons so they should have perfected their ability to decieve as well, right?
If you read some of the comments, the OP states that you may give the demon some offerings but that might be only 70% and you remain in debt with 30% (for example).
Please share your thoughts.
And for those who are interested in the whole post and some details about the original poster, here is the link: