When I first joined this site, I didn’t know much about distinguishing parasites from other entities. Thanks to all of you, I learned how to recognize them. I really appreciate that, because it has helped me understand energy better. At least compared to when I was completely inexperienced, I feel like I’ve made some progress. However, there’s still something I’m curious about. Aren’t these so-called low-frequency entities, which we call parasites, basically the lowest-level demons? If they belong to a legion, then why don’t the Demon Kings control them? Why do they randomly attach themselves to people? I really enjoy working with Demon Kings and feeling their energy. But why don’t they control or stop these parasites?
Parasites are not demons. Nor do demons have control over them. To answer your question, its you and your willpower over what you see as parasites.
I’ll take words from “the good lord” himself. “I only help those who help themselves”, you have to be willing to set up wards and banish and cleanse your temple. No one else can do it for you.
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No, parasitism is the term for a behaviour not a type of being.
So it depends on what system you follow, and is one of the reasons I dont use the word “demon”, because it’s super vague. Meanwhile, some religions like Christianity call anything and everything that isn’t an angel or saint a demon, refuse to believe anything else exist, and so ghosts, fae, guides, ascendeds (who aren’t listed as saints) and even ETs are all “demons”. It’s kind of dumbed down and unhelpful when you are looking for tools to deal with them.
Demon means “bad for you” and angel means "good for you - except that isn’t true.
Not all parasites are even intentionally draining you - if you leak energy, there are astral beings designed to recycle dead energy that can mistake you for something to clean up. These are called larvae and very easy to pluck off, and if you stay clean and balanced you don’t get them.
Some parasites can be massive egregores infecting millions of people - the mainstream even knows about some kinds of these and calls them “mind viruses”.
Some parasites are made by the self, like addictions and depression take a life of thier own and become parsites that want to keep you in that state to keep existing.
… or a “vampiric” mages servitor, or … the list goes on a while, but you get the idea.
Some parasites could be sent against you by another mage, otherwise I have not see random attacks by legion members.
I call most astal lesser entities “astral wildlife” - they attack you because they are like mice or mosquitoes, that’s just how they survive. This kind is non-verbal, so if you are telepathic its easy to tell just by trying to talk to one.
I call the next level of intelligence up “Imps”, as these are verbal but mot in legions. More like the intelligence of monkeys, elephants, dolphins or parrots, who can talk at about the level of a toddler if you give them the tools.
Ime the really clever and big parasites that can talk are human-made egregores, and not under the control of say, the entities of the ars goetia.
I don’t personally acknowledge there’s such a thing as a “demon king” in my worldview so I can;t speak to that. The feudal hierarchies of medieval monks seems kind of silly to me - times have moved on and so have the levels. But I’m not JCI, I don’t do kabbalah, and I’m not remotely religious, so there’s that.
Also - free will and learning. If they wipe your butt for you don’t learn how. This is a really basic thing in magick that you should just do for yourself.
“Give a man a fish and he eats for a day - teach him how to fish and he eats for life.”
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Suppose you’re a demon. You have existed since time immemorial. You have watched countless people die, some of them in ways that are downright horrible. Why would you care if some of them are being drained by parasites? It’s not as if they don’t have the right to live and feed, is it?
Even if they are invested in you enough to intervene, then why would they take away the opportunity to get rid of those things from you? It’s a learning experience. Plenty of them are level 1 goblins for you to train.
Wow! That was a really detailed explanation, thank you. So, you don’t consider them “demon kings”, do you see them as ancient gods instead? I’ve read that there isn’t a complete consensus on this subject in the Ars Goetia. I think I’m actually closer to this view myself, they really could be Ancient Gods. Why not?
Ah yes, actually that makes sense. Thank you, but why do you say that they take their energy from humans?
Thank you!
I don’t believe in gods either. I think most of those are egregores based on ancient rulers - some kings, though whatever langues they spoke wasn’t English and neither was thier culture - it was a thing that ancient peoples deified thier rulers.
I’m getting more and more sold on the ancient aliens theory, particularly around the Sumerian Annunaki, which are the same thing as El and his sons Yhwh, Ba’al, Mot, Nergal, Pazuzu, etc etc. and they ruled tribes of humans for a bit - so I don;t consider any of those gods but ETs that were deified. Today people talk to egregores. I’m pretty sue the original beings, if they are still alive. are doing other things, I know I would be.
Well that was written very late, and has a combination of entities that can be traced back to different cultures. It’s colorful, and lists the most helpful entities.
Some count - Ashtoreth is well known to trace to Astarte / Innana, for example. I just don’t believe in “gods” per se.
I believe the universe is absolutely teeming with consciousness. Consciousness can see itself as one being all connected or individuated, split into fractal branches that have the option of operating as a point or operating as a part of the whole. None of these point or nodes where they branch is really much better or worse than others, because they are all the whole all the time, it’s only about perspective, which is about what you understand. Some group together and sort out roles and organizations to achieve something together - you have to operate as a separate thing to do that. But the roles are not about spirituality as much as what you’re doing with your resources.
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You mean the parasites? That’s how they live.
Can’t say I transcribe to the ancient alien theory. Its no more crazy than people believing in god/s but the idea that ancient aliens came to help humanity or rule over humanity devalues human ingenuity to me. The Annunaki are just one example of one group of humans building a mythos to explain the unexplained. Why does the sun rise? Why does the Moon light up the night? Etc etc.
We personify the natural and unnatural alike and give them names. Personally, I’m more intrigued by “what came before” what did our prehistoric ancestors believe in? What did they revere and worship and how did that evolve into the deities and entities we now know today?
We never wrote anything down in prehistory-everything was passed down orally and the thing about oral traditions is things aftly will get misremembered.
Who knows, it could be ET: they could be beings of pure energy from higher dimensions that we don’t understand as humans.
Life doesn’t just have to be carbon based.
There’s a few others too. Amon is said to be Ba’al Hamon of Carthage. As for Astarte, her persona aftly changes in JCI stuff. Its argued that because Astarte was seen as the “wife of YHWH” that the Virgin Mary in Christianity acts as a replacement for Astarte. Thats also why certain sects of Christianity hate the Catholic idea of praying to Mary because it’s “idolatry”." There are some who argue that praying to Mary is praying to Astarte and thus would commit a sin in their monolatrous religion because there is only one god.
That argument falls apart for me when you read Old Testament passages like with Moses and the ten commandments. One of the commandments is that "thou shalt not have any other god before me’ not “I am the only god” just that you go to the big G first amongst all the other gods out there.
I believe there are multiple universes out there. We live in a multiverse. Theres a universe for every action or inaction we take. Like the flip of a coin influencing a decision.
I also transcribe to the idea that we are almost part of a hivemind we call the universe. Theres a lot we dont understand about the conscious and subconscious and thats why we developed theories like Jungian psychology which explains the collective unconscious. We can argue that that could also be described as the akashic records and so on.
Why does a lion hunt? Why do predators feed on prey? Its a food source. Just as a mosquito requires feeding off of blood to live parasites feed off of our energy to live.
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I feel the same way about the EL family, however for Set and Thoth, I really get the feeling they existed before humanity (kind of like what Crowley believes about Set). But the thing is, for entities like Anubis or Sobek, if we look at the explanations from a historical, psychological, and anthropological point of view, there is a strong chance that the Egyptians warded off the danger by appeasing it. Yet, Anubis is an entity that I would see as 100% ET, but I admit that the normies’ explanation that the Egyptians created him (like an egregore) is completely valid.
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The following is my opinion and i can be wrong,
First of course it can happen that Demons help you when dealing with bad entities etc.
There are people who still try to attack Angels or Demons or Jinn or other beings,
If those beings themselves face attacks, then how come they solve it for us 100%, i view parasites as being on my plate, and i have to deal with it, if needed i can call on a being, but the being is not supposed to solve everything in my life,
Lets suppose a being solve the parasite problem 100% for me, first i will be a deadweight for him, leaning on him fully, second, i will become at his mercy, what if the being one 1 day does not protect me? I will instantly be powerless in the spiritual realm,
Lets say they solve parasite problem for me, what if another mage curse me? That also they should solve too?
What about my meditations? Should i instead not do them and just have beings do all the spiritual work for me? Open all of my chakras? And keep them clean..
I believe we should evolve, and be able to do things more and more without need of help of a being, this is true power, cutting of the dependency, which will not necessarily cut off need of help from the beings,
But instead, one will be able to more and more collaborate with beings in more important things instead of trivial things,
For example, if i want another girlfriend, i will not call on a being for that i will do so alone, i view beings as having personality and can have opinions, so i avoid losing reputation in spiritual realm by using things for things i can do alone, or things that will help me improve, lets say no girl wants to talk to me, i would rather improve my communication, start working out etc.. so that i get to level of being to do the ´getting girlfriend’ on my own,
being a God is being more potent instead of outsourcing all of it to other entities, if its fully outsourced then they are the Gods they are getting things done actually,
However, i see no problem in someone seeking help to get in relation from a being, i mean this is like personal, what i see as trivial another see as important, what i see as important others see as trivial, but i believe what is consistent is that being more and more self sufficient and more powerful and more advanced is the actual point,
Especially that Angels & Demon & Jinn etc.. they DO action, they themselves do action.
It will not surprise me if a Demon see a Person in a problem that the demon can instantly fix and still let the person deal with it to evolve.
In fact i personally believe true power of getting help from beings comes when its a relation of co-creation, between the Mage- universe - other beings, its like a Team work,
and magic generally get very enhanced when one starts realizing he is the primary cause of success of his workings and such, i personally feel instantly powerless when i think the power of the magic is external, it makes doubt get in the way, and makes me feel at mercy, a victim.
Thats my view on the subject, i can be wrong.